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::::I agree. In my opinion these worlds are simply an invention in the head of whoever wrote the article. I mean they could as well be cities, space stastions, space sectors or whatever... --[[User:Inquisitor S.|Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum]] ([[User talk:Inquisitor S.|talk]]) 13:02, 17 March 2019 (MDT)
 
::::I agree. In my opinion these worlds are simply an invention in the head of whoever wrote the article. I mean they could as well be cities, space stastions, space sectors or whatever... --[[User:Inquisitor S.|Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum]] ([[User talk:Inquisitor S.|talk]]) 13:02, 17 March 2019 (MDT)
 
::::Don't forget moons. [[User:KazilDarkeye|KazilDarkeye]] ([[User talk:KazilDarkeye|talk]]) 13:06, 17 March 2019 (MDT)
 
::::Don't forget moons. [[User:KazilDarkeye|KazilDarkeye]] ([[User talk:KazilDarkeye|talk]]) 13:06, 17 March 2019 (MDT)
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:::::Or many other possible things, yes. --[[User:Inquisitor S.|Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum]] ([[User talk:Inquisitor S.|talk]]) 15:39, 17 March 2019 (MDT)
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::::::I suggest we a) make a list page of "worlds" to be deleted and b) agree on a formulation to include in the regimental articles. Something along the lines: "It has not been explicitly stated where the regiment(s) were raised, although one could be tempted to personally draw conclusions from the regiment's name and patterns from regimental names where the homeworld is known. Personal conclusions can however not be considered as hard facts and are therefore not included in the Lexicanum." --[[User:Inquisitor S.|Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum]] ([[User talk:Inquisitor S.|talk]]) 10:58, 18 March 2019 (MDT)
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::::::That would result in the (fairly considerable) expansion of the "World Unknown" Section of [[List of Astra Militarum regiments]] (not a problem, just pointing it out).  I assume we're still OK to infer the name of a group of regiments raised from a planet from one of those regiments (e.g. the existence of the 7th Kellersburg Irregulars implies that there are multiple regiments from that world (which may or may not be named Kellersburg) that are collectively known as the Kellersburg Irregulars).  That seems completely logical to me, but if we're doing this, we may as well do it properly. [[User:KazilDarkeye|KazilDarkeye]] ([[User talk:KazilDarkeye|talk]]) 13:44, 19 March 2019 (MDT)
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:::::::Well, better secured facts than speculation. I do not necessarily agree with your example of that all Kellersburger would automatically be Irregulars though. Just look (I picked that in a hurry...) at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Military_units_and_formations_established_in_1862 this]. I would see no reason why for example in theory there could not be Kellersburg Regulars, Kellersburg Sharpshooters, Kellersburg Light Artillery etc. No? --[[User:Inquisitor S.|Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum]] ([[User talk:Inquisitor S.|talk]]) 15:04, 19 March 2019 (MDT)
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:::::::I agree.  I'm not saying that all of the regiments from a particular planet have the same designation.  I'm just saying that some of the regiments do (e.g. 7th Kellersburg Irregulars implies the existence of a collection of regiments called the Kellersburg Irregulars, but does not imply that there are other sorts of regiments from the same planet (e.g. Kellersburg Regulars, Kellersburg Armoured). [[User:KazilDarkeye|KazilDarkeye]] ([[User talk:KazilDarkeye|talk]]) 16:02, 19 March 2019 (MDT)
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: I think as a general rule we should ''really'' try to abstain from extrapolation as fas as humanly possible. We can't even take for granted if the regiments get numbered by planet name or "type"... --[[User:Inquisitor S.|Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum]] ([[User talk:Inquisitor S.|talk]]) 16:05, 19 March 2019 (MDT)
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:Fair enough.  With that in mind, I've prepared a spreadsheet with all of the regiments mentioned in that Appendix to refer to.  Lots of articles to create (and check to see if there's evidence of the planet if the article already exists).  I'd better get started. [[User:KazilDarkeye|KazilDarkeye]] ([[User talk:KazilDarkeye|talk]]) 16:19, 19 March 2019 (MDT)
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::Okay, that would have been on my list, but if you do, fine by me. Maybe I'll have a check around the actual regiments in the Lex list then. Whenever I will finish with those tiresome combat cards. --[[User:Inquisitor S.|Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum]] ([[User talk:Inquisitor S.|talk]]) 10:12, 20 March 2019 (MDT)
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:::Only have a vague recollection, but presumably the Sabbat Worlds Crusade background book could also have a regimental partial list. Plus obviously there will be regiments strewn around Imperial Armour and the Codices. --[[User:Inquisitor S.|Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum]] ([[User talk:Inquisitor S.|talk]]) 10:17, 20 March 2019 (MDT)

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This article somehow sounds contradictory... Darillia? Dernhelm? Why? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 16:53, 16 March 2019 (MDT)

I get the feeling that there was a copypaste-type error, perhaps? KazilDarkeye (talk) 18:24, 16 March 2019 (MDT)
I was thumping through The 13th BC days ago when checking for the Jopall, so if this is from the Appendix, I am already not to comfortable from extrapolating from Darillian the existence of a world called Darillia... I mean that is already guessing... --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 01:35, 17 March 2019 (MDT)
Honestly, I think there are a number of pages like that (e.g. Van De'Man's World 'Redbacks' and Kellersburg Irregulars). KazilDarkeye (talk) 03:42, 17 March 2019 (MDT)
I agree. In my opinion these worlds are simply an invention in the head of whoever wrote the article. I mean they could as well be cities, space stastions, space sectors or whatever... --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 13:02, 17 March 2019 (MDT)
Don't forget moons. KazilDarkeye (talk) 13:06, 17 March 2019 (MDT)
Or many other possible things, yes. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 15:39, 17 March 2019 (MDT)
I suggest we a) make a list page of "worlds" to be deleted and b) agree on a formulation to include in the regimental articles. Something along the lines: "It has not been explicitly stated where the regiment(s) were raised, although one could be tempted to personally draw conclusions from the regiment's name and patterns from regimental names where the homeworld is known. Personal conclusions can however not be considered as hard facts and are therefore not included in the Lexicanum." --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 10:58, 18 March 2019 (MDT)
That would result in the (fairly considerable) expansion of the "World Unknown" Section of List of Astra Militarum regiments (not a problem, just pointing it out). I assume we're still OK to infer the name of a group of regiments raised from a planet from one of those regiments (e.g. the existence of the 7th Kellersburg Irregulars implies that there are multiple regiments from that world (which may or may not be named Kellersburg) that are collectively known as the Kellersburg Irregulars). That seems completely logical to me, but if we're doing this, we may as well do it properly. KazilDarkeye (talk) 13:44, 19 March 2019 (MDT)
Well, better secured facts than speculation. I do not necessarily agree with your example of that all Kellersburger would automatically be Irregulars though. Just look (I picked that in a hurry...) at this. I would see no reason why for example in theory there could not be Kellersburg Regulars, Kellersburg Sharpshooters, Kellersburg Light Artillery etc. No? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 15:04, 19 March 2019 (MDT)
I agree. I'm not saying that all of the regiments from a particular planet have the same designation. I'm just saying that some of the regiments do (e.g. 7th Kellersburg Irregulars implies the existence of a collection of regiments called the Kellersburg Irregulars, but does not imply that there are other sorts of regiments from the same planet (e.g. Kellersburg Regulars, Kellersburg Armoured). KazilDarkeye (talk) 16:02, 19 March 2019 (MDT)
I think as a general rule we should really try to abstain from extrapolation as fas as humanly possible. We can't even take for granted if the regiments get numbered by planet name or "type"... --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 16:05, 19 March 2019 (MDT)
Fair enough. With that in mind, I've prepared a spreadsheet with all of the regiments mentioned in that Appendix to refer to. Lots of articles to create (and check to see if there's evidence of the planet if the article already exists). I'd better get started. KazilDarkeye (talk) 16:19, 19 March 2019 (MDT)
Okay, that would have been on my list, but if you do, fine by me. Maybe I'll have a check around the actual regiments in the Lex list then. Whenever I will finish with those tiresome combat cards. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 10:12, 20 March 2019 (MDT)
Only have a vague recollection, but presumably the Sabbat Worlds Crusade background book could also have a regimental partial list. Plus obviously there will be regiments strewn around Imperial Armour and the Codices. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 10:17, 20 March 2019 (MDT)