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The Sisters of Battle are only the Orders Militant, not the entire Adepta Sororitas. Either the article's title should reflect the entire content, or the other Orders should be moved to separate articles. —Archlords 20:21, 5 May 2007 (CEST)

I was unaware that only the Orders Miltant are considered Sisters of Battle. Information about the other orders is quite rare. But this is more a case of 'using the most commonly used english name'. It is more or less the same case of using Space Marine instead of Adeptus Astartes and Ecclesiarchy instead of Adeptus Ministorum, etc. Better to use the easier common english name. Irulan 19:39, 6 May 2007 (CEST)
In both of the examples you state, there is no such issue. The Space Marines are all of the Adeptus Astartes, and the Ecclesiarchy is all of the Ministorum. "Sisters of Battle" is the common English name of the Orders Militant, not the Adepta Sororitas. The Orders Militant are only one of the four main varieties of Adepta Sororitas (admittedly, the ones about which you hear most, as it is a wargame). —Archlords 22:39, 9 May 2007 (CEST)
Is it not the case that its Space Marines=Adeptus Astartes, Ecclesiarchy=Adeptus Ministorum and Sisters of Battle=Adepta Sororitas? It can't be the common name for order militant as there is no other name for them, and the orders militant are made up of 6 orders, whatever they were, and then there are a load of other orders (diologous or whatever). The Adepta Sororitas are the military arm of the Ecclesiarchy and is made up of the various orders, be they militant or otherwise. Adepta Sororitas is the official name for the Sisters of Battle.
Ok got thoughts ordered now. Adepta Sororitas = Sisters of Battle (same thing) and they are made up of the 4 orders (militant etc.) which are made up of the various forces (Order of the Martyred Rose or whatever it is). Plus are not all the orders made up of sisters, as in the old list from chapter approved (not sure which one) the representatives from the other orders (hospitaller etc.) are female as well. Sorry to ramble, hope I make sense!--Jonru 22:02, 10 May 2007 (CEST)
Since it's devolved to each of us saying, "No, you're wrong," I guess I'll have to pull out the quotes. If you can find any official source calling Sisters other than the Orders Militant "Sisters of Battle," feel free to join in. —Archlords 22:18, 10 May 2007 (CEST)
"Due to its all-female membership, the Adepta Sororitas is often referred to as the Sisterhood, although some still call it by its original name, the Daughters of the Emperor. The Sisterhood is most commonly associated with the Battle Sisters of the Orders Militant, but this is not its only role in the Imperium. There are three other major Orders of the Adepta Sororitas and many others numbering perhaps only a hundred or so individuals each." —Codex: Sisters of Battle, page 35
Having had another read through the sob codex I think I can come to the same conclusion as you. Sisters of Battle are the orders militant only but the other orders are made up of other sisters who aren't part of the Sisters of Battle. How to fix this problem I do not know as most people see Sisters of Battle and Adepta Sororitas as interchangeable. Nice work spotting this though.--Jonru 15:21, 11 May 2007 (CEST)
The only solution I see is to just state the correct information and hope people follow our example. I think for this purpose it would be most effective to make separate pages for the other four types of orders (Dialogous, Famulous, Hospitaller, and minor), and a main Sisterhood/Adepta Sororitas page to link to them. But I'm not terribly familiar with the protocol here, so I'm asking for advice first. —Archlords 19:14, 11 May 2007 (CEST)

It is much mre simple to simply move the article to Adepta Sororitas and be done with it. Simply keep the Sisters of Battle as a re-direct (this is done automatically). Irulan 00:43, 12 May 2007 (CEST)

I think that would be a good idea. Also, the other orders (non-fighting) were mentioned in the Sisters of Battle codex, if that helps any. SanchiTachi 05:35, 29 May 2007 (CEST)

Hello

I have been here before (but haven't contributed in a long time), and spent most of my time putting my pages on the Wikipedia Warhammer 40,000 wiki. I would like to move here and put forth my information there. I have done some heavy updatings to the Sisters of Battle Page, the Witch Hunters page and the other Inquisition pages: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], and [6]. I would like to contribute information here.

If anyone would like to contact me on my talk page, or here, I would appreciate the help with adding information over (we can go over what information would be helpful to contribute, etc etc). My version of the organization chart might work better for this page, as its a little tighter. But yeah, it would be nice working with you guys. SanchiTachi 05:35, 29 May 2007 (CEST)

High Command

"The overall commander of the entire Sisterhood is the Abbess Sanctorum, based in the Convent Sanctorum; she is one of the potential High Lords of Terra."

This could use a source, as I've never seen any such information. "Liber Sororitas" from WD292us (and, I can only assume, somewhere in the original mag, since it's by Andy Hoare) calls the post merely the Abbess, says nothing of her being a High Lord, and includes the important note that the post is currently vacant pending knowledge of the fate of the last. I'd like to have this cleared up before I add information about the Prioresses (even though everyone ignores them because they're not Battle Sisters). —Archlords 22:19, 22 October 2007 (CEST)

"Abbess" is correct. She's called the "Abbess Sanctorum" in the list of potential High Lords of Terra (Codex Imperialis). That doesn't mean, though, that there's different ranks of Abbess. --Acidface 21:16, 23 October 2007 (CEST)


Opening Eye

The Order of the Opening Eye of the Orders Famulous was mentioned in Dark Heresy but it doesn't seem to be listed.ZeroSD 10:54, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Celibacy Required?

In Cain's Last Stand (Novel), a footnote by Amberley Vail remarks that, contrary to popular assumption, there is no rule that requires the Sisters to remain celibate, as witness the fact that Cain catches the Sister at his Schola having an affair with another faculty member. Is this contradicted by any other canon source?

To my knowledge, sex (or lack of) is never mentioned in any source. I dont know if this would really warrant a mention in the article though. Thelemur 23:51, 9 December 2011 (CET)
Fair enough. I think the article could use more information, if available, on the Sister's daily habits and duties. If I recall, one source describes the daily routine of a Space Marine, which begins and ends with prayer and meditation.--Proteus77 02:04, 10 December 2011 (CET)
I've got some the old sources, but i dont know if there is any info like that. Thelemur 02:41, 10 December 2011 (CET)

I think what was meant was that; since the Sister in question wasn't technically part of the order any more, she didn't have to stay celibate, implying that other Sororitas do. Since nothing's specifically stated though, this is really just speculation. --AmrasCalmacil 10:14, 14 January 2012 (CET) On closer inspection, looking through the book again, I was wrong! I'd assume Games Workshop has okayed that though, so unless there is any other canon that contradicts it, they're unlikely to all be celibate. --AmrasCalmacil 15:07, 14 January 2012 (CET)

Overhaul

This page (and whole section) needs a bit of an overhaul. There is info from different eras present that are contradictory - this page states that the Convent Sanctorum based on Ophelia VII (current canon) but the page Abbess Sanctorum page states it is on Terra (Codex Imperialis - 1993), yet this page still links Abbess Sanctorum as the head of the organisation for example. (I have managed to find the more up to date info on the Abbess and will fix that page shortly.)

One other change I propose is to have a seperate Sisters of Battle page for info exclusively about the Orders Militant. That way this page can focus on the organisation as a whole and the S.O.B. page can include info on equipment, training, combat doctrine etc which is specific to the Orders militant.

Any opinions, ideas before I proceed? Thelemur 03:36, 14 January 2012 (CET)

I don't think that is a good idea. For example what you call in English "Sisters of Battle" does not even exist in German, there it was even called "Codex: Adeptus Sororitas".--Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum 11:51, 14 January 2012 (CET)
I'm not sure how the title in German is relevant to the English Lexi to be honest. On closer inspection there is already a Orders Militant page (which is exactly what I was proposing just under a dfifferent title), so i may just expand that article and re-direct S.O.B. page there.
The reason I think it is important is that Sisters of Battle redirects to Adepta Sororitas, as though they are the same thing - they most definately are not, SOB are one of several depts of the Sororitas comprising around a quarter of the sisters. It would be like clicking on a "Space Marine" link and being re-directed to "Ultramarines" instead. Thelemur 16:10, 14 January 2012 (CET)
Note: i created a category for all the Adeptus Sorotitas Orders much like we did with Necron Dynasties and Dark Eldar Kabal.--Ashendant 17:21, 14 January 2012 (CET)
Order of the Ermine Mantle - Hum what the heck is this order???--Ashendant 17:31, 14 January 2012 (CET)
A Ermine is a weasel-like predator native in Europe. Its beautiful fur has been used in medieval times to decorate the cloaks of nobility. --DetlefK 20:33, 14 January 2012 (CET)
... i meant the order not the name... i can only find this order in this article.--Ashendant 20:46, 14 January 2012 (CET)
I'll add and update all the sources in the article later this evening, need a wee rest atm. The Order is mentioned in WD 293 (UK) - as I say, sources for the whole article will be added in the next few hours. Thelemur 20
49, 14 January 2012 (CET)

Miriael Sabathiel

I've pulled her section from the Canon conflicts section because I cannot find this quote...
"A sign of the Sisters' strength is the fact that in their entire history only a single sister, Miriael Sabathiel, has fallen to the lure of Chaos. How Miriael fell is unknown, only that she was turned from the Emperor's light to Slaanesh worship, and now serves as one of the Prince of Chaos' greatest warriors."
... ANYWHERE in the 2nd Edition Sisters codex, or indeed any mention of Miriael at all. Until the actual source (WITH page number) or a replacement quote is found, it has to go. --MarcoSkoll 14:33, 19 February 2012 (CET)

The german Lex gives the short-story "The Invitation" from Tales from the Dark Millennium (Anthology) as the source. I won't put a footnote on that info as I lack the source.
If you want so source the paragraph: We have recently established a rule, that footnotes on short-stories need neither pages nor chapters, if the story lacks chapters. --DetlefK 15:21, 19 February 2012 (CET)
Nevertheless you would have to check the source before sourcing it. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum 16:29, 19 February 2012 (CET)
I did some googling and apparently she is mentioned in Codex: Chaos Space Marines (3rd Edition, 1st Codex) , but I dont have that text to check it myself. I can 100% confirm MarcoSkolls assertion that she is not mentioned in the SOB codex. I'll ask some one to check Chaos Codex. Thelemur 19:50, 19 February 2012 (CET)
The passage from "The Invitation" is not really a conflict of canon, as it's a character's statement and therefore quite easily misinformed or wrong. Also, the in-universe dates for the stories would come into play - there's no conflict if "The Invitation" is earlier in the time-line than the other stories. As for that CSM codex, I have it myself, but a quick search cannot find any mention of her. Given the relatively minimal background material in quite a lot of 3rd Ed codices from that era, I'm not hugely surprised.

--MarcoSkoll 22:06, 19 February 2012 (CET)

Cool - if we do find any proper info on her we can add a seperate article for her and just list her under "Known Members" on this page; I agree with your logic on removing the Canon-conflict bit. Thelemur 22:19, 19 February 2012 (CET)

Opening Paragraph

I have a problem with this sentence in the opening paragraph; "The Sisterhood's Orders Militant serve as the Ecclesiarchy's fighting arm, mercilessly rooting out corruption and heresy within humanity and every organisation of the Adeptus Terra." This makes it seem that all the the Sisters of Battle are doing the job of the inquisition, and that they have no other roles which is untrue. While they sometimes serve the Ordo Hereticus they mostly serve the Ministorum. Thoughts on this edit? BrotherKeef 17:01, 20 June 2013 (CEST)