From Lexicanum

From what i have heard the parts about the illuminati and the senseis are not regarded as true fluff/lore by GW and hence should not be included as anything related to what has actually happened in the timeline of the Emperor of Mankind.

The same could also be said of the Emperor being born in Turkey. Or of the Imperial Palace being built on top of Nottingham. Or indeed of countless other "old" bits of "fluff". Simply because GW prefers to indulge in Retroactive Continuity, do not presume we should do likewise. The previous history of the Emperor is never directly denied, simply forgotten. If we remove it, we are denying others that original idea. At present, GW want nothing but mystery and unravelled and untied threads, the fact is this information WAS Canon, and still IS until such time as it is actively denied or rewritten. The Illuminati and the Sensei are a part of the GW Mythology, heck there was a whole page devoted to a "heretical cult" with their beliefs in just the previous edition of 40K. There does exist, in the fiction, and in reality, a desire to cover it up, but frankly, this old mystery, passed on from older fans to new simply aids in the rich tapestry of 40K history...Or would you rather just say "The Tyranids Ate Them Then Buggered Off" Squats style?

Cause, y'know, the Nids are just going to pop up into the centre of the Galaxy, devour the Squats and then skulk off without a word, right?

The Illuminati/Sensei idea has been denied by a member of the design team, in an interview I was reading just the other day. I'll find it and link it here. One of the 'Horus Heresy' novels gives a mention of the Emperor's birthplace, which I will find when I re-read them. As for the Tyranid/Squats thing, Hive Fleet Leviathan is in the areas of the galaxy where the Squat homeworlds were, entering from below the Galactic disc - look at the current Codex: Tyranids.

The Squats thing being eaten by the Tyranids was a fluff based way of saying they are not coming back in their old form. The real reason was something like they were not selling well/were too close to fantasy or a whole host of other reasons concocted over the past years. Squats are dead, and will stay so in the form they were. As for the Illuminati, if they have been denied in an official interview then yes, we need to state this and state the origin of the information, and make it obvious.--Jonru 10:12, 13 June 2006 (CEST)

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Perhaps we should sometimes list what fluff is from what generation of books? I dont know if that is even reasonable, but its the only idea that I could put foreward.

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This is a very good suggestion. How do you think we should go about doing it? Perhaps to have a level 3 heading (===Insert Heading===) underneat it for the source(s) and then put the main sources in a section at the bottom, or perhaps put 'Source: Whatever' in italics or something. Nice work! :)--Jonru 10:12, 13 June 2006 (CEST)

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Delete at Will ... I assume you are referring to the part about the Emperor's origin and the part about the Illuminatie? I'd like to point to the article about the Emperor of Mankind in the English Wikipedia. They have a couple of sources listed in their article... perhaps this article can be used as a basis for this one? -- JoeneB, 16:09, 13 June 2006 (CEST)

Contents 1 About Emperors picture 2 Emperor's Sword 2.1 hmm... 2.1.1 Golden Throne

About Emperors picture

I fixed it up a bit, it should look better now.

-Guardsmen5

Emperor's Sword

Is there any mention of the name or origin of the flaming sword the Emperor wields?

Thats from the Horus Heresy art books. I will have to look it up (the artist described why he put some of the pictures). The Emperor would be able to channel his power through anything, so I doubt its really unique on its own. SanchiTachi 04:11, 7 July 2007 (CEST)

hmm...

The Emperor dosen't look too healthy on the golden throne now does he... XD --Endeavour 18:22, 25 July 2008 (CEST)

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Golden Throne

At the Timeline M41. There is written: Tech Priests of the Adeptus Mechanicus discover failures in the mechanisms of the Golden Throne that are far beyond their repair. 999.M41 - White Dwarf 342us. Meaning that the Golden Throne is failing.

The big question I have is:

What effect will it have on the Emperor ? And the Imperium ?

I've also read about the Loyalist Primarchs:

Leman Russ stating, that he will return for the final battle. For the Wolf time.

Vulkan stating, that he will return in the time of the Black Dragon.

Roboute Guilliman, is slowly recovering. (Impossible inside a stasis field )

Lion El'Johnson, is sleeping, perhaps waiting for the final battle ?

Corax, is disappeared. ( Not classed as dead )

Jaghatai Khan is trapped inside the warp. ( Not classed as dead )

Sanguinius, Ferrus Manus and Rogal Dorn are dead.

This means that we still have 6 Primarchs perhaps alive.

Perhaps the Final Battle is coming soon ? Since the Golden Throne is failing.

Permit me a bit of un-serious-ness when I say "TEH END IZ NEER" On a more serious note, in the 5th edition rulebook preview on the GW site, the 41st millennium is ending, and it is also noted that the Age of the Imperium is ending as well. Perhaps, it is so. --Rye 21:16, 14 August 2008 (CEST)

I haven't read the 5'th edition rulebook, nor bought it yet. Emporio

http://uk.games-workshop.com/warhammer40000/preview1/1/ The Time of Ending is mentioned on the first page, "It is a dark time for the Imperium as the Age of Mankind draws to an end." on the second, "For the first time, the timeline of the 40K universe is laid out as it plunges forward into the Time of Ending." just after that. I think something big is going to happen. --Rye 14:38, 16 August 2008 (CEST)

Yep, after the Age of the Imperium, the 5th edition book shows the beginning of the Time of Ending, from c750.M41 onwards.--Rye 14:22, 21 August 2008 (CEST)

With the 40k MMORPG coming out soon, it does make sense - if the MMO were to lock people in to an existing timeline with no opportunity to affect the universe around them, even in a minor way, GW would be instantly alienating people who wanted to play an RPG to immerse themselves in something "bigger". By bringing forms of closure in the new edition, it allows for the MMO to directly affect a galaxy which is already changing. Hakster

And hopefully, it won't go the way of WoW, which pretty much amounts to killing off every named character with a half-assed explanation for doing so (usually: it mad, bro). I wager, if Blizzard did it, we'd be killing the Emperor of Mankind in the second expansion ;) Mikael Grizzly 21:06, 29 August 2008 (CEST)