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Hey all, I just wanted to elaborate on my changing the IF's specialty from "Defence" to "Siege Warfare". While the Imperial Fists are indeed famous for their defence of the Imperial Palace, it is by no means their specialty. Siege Warfare is their specialty, hands down. If they were specialized only in defence, there is no way they could have survived their attack on the Iron Cage or single handedly (and successfully!) counter-attacked a Black Crusade. Also, as far as special rules have been concerned, the Imperial Fists' siege skills have always been represented in both offensive and defensive special rules. 3rd Edition gave them an abilites to launch more orbital bombardments and safely cross enemy minefields: hardly defensive tactics. Current 40k rules give them the Tank Hunters ability (which affects bunkers as well) and is an extremely offensive skill. So, no to "Defence" but yes to "Siege Warfare"... which incorporates both attack and defence.--Master of Sanctity 10:40, 7 February 2008 (CET)

That sounds totally correct to me, the Imperial Fists were always at odds with the Iron Warriors over who was best at siege warfare/defensive construction and are meant to be the opposite, loyal version. As the Iron Warriors were always the ones being sent into sieges then I believe your change put them where they are meant to be. Cheers--Jonru 11:19, 7 February 2008 (CET)

--Master of Sanctity 07:35, 10 October 2008 (CEST)== Dorn's Remains == A common misunderstanding by those who follow 40k canon is that only Dorn's hand was recovered from the Sword of Sacrilege. This is not the case. At least his entire skeleton was found, and his hand was then removed and placed in a seperate location. Ian Watson's Space Marine explains this in great detail. The common misunderstanding that only Dorn's hand was found comes from the (poorly written) passage in IA:IF. At no time, however, does the passage specifically state that his engraved hand was the only thing that remained. Ian Watson's Space Marine (where IA:IF gets most of its info) makes the above very clear. I have therefore changed "last remaining relic" to "holiest relic".--Master of Sanctity 07:35, 10 October 2008 (CEST)

Soul Drinkers

I don't care what those awful novels say, there were only two first founding successor chapters of the Imperial Fists, the Black Templars and the Crimson Fists. IA states this as fact, and most assuredly IA takes precedent over the trash that Black Library keeps shovelling out.

Please sign your comments. And: it's not really important what you think/believe/wish. BL is part of GW as FW is - if there're differences in the publications it should be noted in the article, why not (in fact it is necessary). But simply delete informations is just unacceptable.--Genestealer, Magus 03:30, 8 September 2008 (CEST)

If you want, you could point out the Soul Drinker's paradox, where although they do not appear in the IA, the reason may be due to their removal from Imperial Archives during the novels. --Lygris 14:45, 8 September 2008 (CEST)