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Instructions for adding chapters, to avoid any simple stupid mistakes

1st) Be absolutly sure. That means you need to have the source (codex, novel, White Dwarf, computer game, etc) in your hands. Please do not add a chapter you saw a while back in a White Dwarf. Let's avoid mistakes as far as possible, OK?

2nd) Provide your source! Put the source in the "sources and reference". Anything else than a codex has to be linked (with the numbers) (info from novels is not as official as codex's I'm afraid). IF you are unable to provide an official source then DON'T ADD IT (find the source first please), as your entry WILL BE DELETED without mercy.

3rd)Try to put your chapter in the cronological place. Let me explain that. If the chapter was founded in the 4 founding then put it before a chapter founded in the 26 founding.

4th)Please be careful. Irulan 20:01, 10 March 2007 (CET)

The 'Andy Chambers said' bit

We prefer to avoid putting things like that directly into the middle of articles. It breaks the encylopedic tone. Besides, the info is out of date. I would suggest noting that records of legion sizes are contradictory and then, in a separate section that is 'real-world' in tone, explain the confusion, ie the HH artbooks say hundreds of thousands, Andy Chambers says tens of thousands, the HH authors bounced about between these two points of view, ADB recently said they've agreed on the hundreds of thousands angle etc. THanks.--Mob 12:45, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

No problem. It was just the first time I saw a source like that and I immediately thought it was the ultimate. :-) Maybe, in order to be helpful, I should just take care of assessing article's sources and their page numbers. --Jacob Sterlov 01:52, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Is there any way for us to clarify when the numbers were polled because, the Raven guard suffered heavy losses at isstavan 4 and was reduced to I think what would be consider a "company" heresy sized. In the book Deliverance Lost I believe they say this, would someone check please?-- Shadowcat1


I would really like to know how large the Space Wolves legion was. I read some where it was neither small nor large. But does anyone truly know? {[user: Fellsword1]}

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2. It was one of the smallest. The number 12,000 is popping up in my mind, but I can't remember, where I got it from. The novel Prospero Burns would be a good start, maybe the later chapters, when the legion comes together for the attack on Prospero. --DetlefK 22:14, 7 August 2013 (CEST)

I am seeing a lot, and I mean a LOT of issues with the legion sizes... though it's sadly not something we can fix. I feel like the Legions were designed with "10,000" being the norm, and then when the HH novels kicked in spectacle creep pulled that up to million+ sizes... and GW being GW, nobody bothered to fact-check or consider the ramifications. I know the Heresy was meant to be violent and all, but the Ultramarines were always meant to have survived the Heresy "mostly" unscathed... and yet they only had 23,000 troops left AND were the biggest of the Legions? It can't be both! Even if they were only 100,000 strong (which wouldn't make them the largest by any measure) that's over 75% casualties! Wargameruk 15:36, 4 April 2014 (CEST)


Sons of Horus Numbers

According to Betrayal, page 79, at the start of the Heresy, Horus and the Sons of Horus began the Heresy with 70,000 to 110,000 troops, a number that the book says is more accurate. So would the number need correcting or are we counting the 60,000 Loyalists who died at Istvaan III as part of his army? Arkhar

Do the other pages listed here make any statements whether those numbers are pre- or post-Isstvan III? DetlefK 12:49, 9 August 2013 (CEST)

Page 79 says on one part of the page, "Records, tainted as they may be, place the Sons of Horus at a fighting strength of approximately 130,000-170,000 Space Marines in the period leading up to the Isstvan III atrocity. Although the figure may have been higher, this estimate would also tally with more general assessments of the Sons of Horus being in the upper quarter of the Legions in terms of Space Marine manpower." Hoever, it then goes on to say, ". . . it would follow that Horus began his war of betrayal with around 70,000-110,000 Space Marines of his own Legion at his disposal, with considerable evidence that the latter figure is the more accurate." The first group of numbers would be Pre-Isstvan III. The second group would be Post-Isstvan. However, the Pre-Isstvan numbers include the Loyalists who would die on Isstvan III, so unless we are counting them as part of Horus' Legion, the number would need correction. Arkhar 15:52, 23 August 2013 (EST)

I'm going to go ahead and add in the second number as a note with the notes about the Thousand Sons' and Imperial Fists' numbers. Arkhar 18:57, 26 August 2013 (EST)

White Scars Unification / Early Crusade Heraldry

The shown image is specific to the White Scars 731st Pioneer Company "Grey Ghosts" (and then probably for a specific theater of war), I do not think this should be presented as general/ "typical" for the Great Crusade because I do not see any indication for it. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 10:43, 21 May 2019 (MDT)