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Yes, the fact that Sabertooth Games discontinued Horus Heresy and replaced it with Dark Millenium shows that the game is no longer in new "canon". Furthermore, its an alternate telling. Both are reasons why its not primary Warhammer 40,000 canon. SanchiTachi 16:47, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

Furthermore, only the top game developers have say over official canon, and those are the Warhammer 40,000 developers. If something is official canon, its found in the codexes and rulebooks. If they feel that it needs to be said, they will say it there. SanchiTachi 16:49, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
Well, GW's 'standard line' on canon is: "Yes it's all official, but remember that we're reporting back from a time where stories aren't always true, or at least 100% accurate. if it has the 40K logo on it, it exists in the 40k universe. Or it was a legend that may well have happened. Or a rumour that may or may not have any truth behind it.
Let's put it another way: anything with a 40K logo on it is as official as any Codex... and at least as crammed full of rumours, distorted legends and half-truths."
Why would only the top Games Designers have a say? Is there some sort of statement from GW that says this? If so, can you direct me to it? Considering Games Workshop as a whole controls the Intellectual Property, why should the power be consolidated into their hands? They have an entire publishing division, whose content is vetted by the Games Developers - why would they not be canon? Not only that, but GW have also given another quote about background in which they say old material is still canon. Just because the book's no longer on sale, doesn't mean it's not canon. So that implies that, in fact, the 'Sabertooth' Heresy material is canon, and just as canon as everything else. It's all very well to argue against that, but I've supplied multiple quotes from GW, and I'm not seeing any supporting evidence for your argument... Mechanicus
Nothing from the Forum is accurate. Never quote the forum. Games Workshop does not publish anything through the forum, and anything that is official is stated on the main Games Workshop website. Your main mistake was substituting fanfluff and fan opinion for actual policy. Warhammer 40,000 is greated by the company Games Workshop. Only their employees in charge of storyline are allowed to write the official storyline. Gav Thorpe was one such employee, as was Andy Chambers (but he has since left). There are a few others. The material is not official canon unless it is included in a codex. The rest are side branches that don't necessarily reflect anything officially released by the Games Workshop corporation.


Bottom line, Official Canon is that which is in the current editions of Codexes and the Rulebook/Rulebooks for Warhammer 40,000. Everything else must be noted within a seperate section with the edition or source. That includes the Black Library works and the non-standard games like Horus Heresy. Specialist-Games falls directly under GW's main company employees. Sabertooth and BL do not. SanchiTachi 20:04, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
Your source for all this is? I still want to know where you seem to have generated this from. You're quick to refute my claims, but I've seen no backing for yours. Mechanicus 20:38, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
Are you for real? Are you just trolling? Who are you? The fact that you are so stuck on fanfluff or information from a fan forum thats not run by the heads at GW shows that you don't really have a clue about Games Workshop or its history one bit. Grow up kid. SanchiTachi 21:34, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
'Fan' forum? It's a division of GW. That much is evidenced on it's front page. All I ask for is what I have attempted to provide for you, which you claim is 'fan-fluff' despite comments from the publishers that say otherwise. On most of the forums I go on, it's commonly accepted that Black Library and Sabertooth are canon background (Warseer, 40kOnline for two examples). You believe that only the codices and rulebooks are official background, and all I ask is to know why you believe that is. I don't personally think that elicits accusations of trolling. Mechanicus 22:15, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
1. Its not www.games-workshop.com, its black library. 2. Black Library is not the game. Its a spin-off about novels. 3. Games Workshop does not directly control BL, nor is BL held to the standards. 4. The only thing that matters is the game. The rest is secondary. 5. The forum is a fan forum. 6. Sabertooth is a spin-off and exists in an altered state. 7. Horus Heresy card game has been discontinued. 8. You come out of no where and have no contributions besides the above complaining that Horus Heresy is added in its own area, that is trollish. I'm busy working my ass off to compile thousands of magazines, books and other material right now, and you decide that you want to challenge me about what I know of GW? Hell, the fact that I've been a part of it since Rogue Trader, that I worked with the HQ in the US for a while, and I know quite a lot of the politics at the actual GW sure backs up my understanding of the game. If its not on the www.games-workshop.com main site, then its secondary. If they wanted it to be part of their main tradition, they would add it, like they did for Gaunt's Ghost. SanchiTachi 23:27, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

Hey there, lets try and keep this civil shall we? No need to accuse each other of trolling or anything else. This is a wiki, not a warzone. Lets just stick to the topic and try and figure a way out that won't result in one of us getting annoyed. Cheers --Jonru 22:30, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

I apologise if anything I said came across as overly aggressive. I was slightly dismayed that what I have believed for years is apparently false, and I am a little over eager to find evidence either way that is acceptable to both of us. Mechanicus 22:56, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

Ok, it seems we have come to an answer. Lets drop this now shall we, before it turns ugly. Lets just say that info from other sources outside of gw.com needs a notice saying so. Whether people view it as true canon should be left up to them, but as long as we separate it and label it then its not our fault if they think it is and it isn't canon.--Jonru 23:43, 10 July 2007 (CEST)