Welcome to Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum! Log in and join the community.

Talk:Kaela Mensha Khaine

From Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum
Jump to: navigation, search

Information Conflict

Information from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaela_Mensha_Khaine conflicts with the information stated here,

In the Warhammer 40,000 universe, Khaine is a god of the Eldar associated with battle, war and conflict. Many scholars believe him to be a manifestation of the Eldar's racial passion as manifested in battle and warfare. "Kaela Mensha" is not technically part of Khaine's name, but is a title he bears. It roughly translates to "bloody-handed", a reference to the blood which eternally drips from his hands as a reminder of his murder of the ancient Eldar hero, Eldanesh.

During the war of heaven, Khaine fought and defeated the Nightbringer, shattering his necrodermis, although the resulting metal shards pierced his flesh, tainting his form with 'the aspect of the Reaper'. It is also said that this event precipitated the eventual fall of the Eldar: The Nightbringer planted the fear of death within all mortal creatures except the Orks, which furthered their survivalist emotions. In the depths of the warp, beings created during the turmoil of the War in Heaven would feast on these feelings and grow to sentience, setting into motion a chain of events that would close the Path of Rebirth for Eldar souls forever. -Not stated in Lexicanum

Khaine is one of the two surviving gods of the Eldar. In the old pantheon, he was second only to Asuryan himself in power, and was often shown as the enemy of Vaul. He is also the most violent and reckless of the gods. Asuryan was so appalled by his murder of Eldanesh, a mortal, that he cursed Khaine and made his hands drip eternally with the blood of Eldanesh so that everyone would remember what he had done.

(Khaine is also believed to have been assaulted, defeated, and dominated by Slaanesh sometime after Slaanesh's awakening in the 29th millennium (Imperial Calendar). Following this, Khorne, Chaos God of war, battled Slaanesh for Khaine, rightly claiming the Eldar deity as his property. During their struggle, Khaine was driven into the material world, where he shattered into a thousand pieces. Each piece came to rest at the heart of an Eldar Craftworld. By sacrificing an Exarch to Khaine on the eve of battle, the Avatar becomes a fiery, animated manifestation of the god, including the blood dripping from his hand, and leads the Eldar army into battle. - this entire paragraph clashes with statements from the original Lexicanum article, as shown below.

Khaine fought Slaanesh, the newly-awakened Chaos god of pleasure and passion sometime after Slaanesh's awakening in the 29th millennium (Imperial Calendar). Khaine being a god of war could not be defeated in battle. But Slaanesh was still much stronger than the Eldar god thus creating a stalemate where neither could win. Khorne the Blood God, patron of war and murder wanted to absorb Khaine for his on purposes and made an offer to Khaine. During the struggle, Khaine realized he couldn't escape from either being and so divided his spiritual essence into the hearts of the craftworlds, the dread Avatars of Khaine are the mere splinters of the ancient war god that can be called upon by a sacrifice of an Exarch who is chosen to be the Young King who are then absorbed by the essence, thus becoming the Avatar of Khaine wielding the might of the War God himself.)

Khaine's precise nature in the Warhammer 40,000 cosmology is not defined, although due to his interaction with the Chaos Gods, he appears to be an entity of the Warp, although not appearing to be like the Chaos Gods. Some background materials published by Black Library (such as Xenology), imply that Khaine and the rest of the Eldar gods are in fact members of the first sentient species known as 'the Ancients', also known as the Old Ones, which were the creators of the Eldar and many other races of the Warhammer 40,000 universe. Other Black Library publications suggest that the psychically potent Eldar were themselves created by the Old Ones so that they would produce living manifestations of their racial collective unconscious for use in the war against the C'Tan. After the Old Ones were defeated, Eldar came to worship their psychic creations as gods. - not stated in Lexicanum.

I hope that we can confirm which is true and which is not, as wikipedia has listed its own lists of sources on that article, shown below.

  • Priestley, Rick (1994). Warhammer 40,000 Codex: Eldar, 2nd Edition, Nottingham: Games Workshop. ISBN 1-872372-74-0.
  • Thorpe, Gav (2000). Warhammer 40,000 Codex: Craftworld Eldar. Nottingham: Games Workshop. ISBN 1-84154-029-3.
  • Thorpe, Gav (2001). Warhammer 40,000 Codex: Eldar, 3rd Edition, Nottingham: Games Workshop. ISBN 1-869893-39-5.
  • Kelly, Phil (2006). Warhammer 40,000 Codex: Eldar, 4th Edition, Nottingham: Games Workshop. ISBN 1-84154-791-3.
  • Spurrier, Simon (2005). Xenology. Nottingham: Black Library. ISBN 1-84416-282-6.
  • von Staufer, Marijan (2007). Liber Chaotica. Nottingham: Black Library. ISBN 1-84416-394-6.

Cheers, Tonicquill 14:57, 13 September 2008

The whole KMK article needs updating with modern sources. Chances are the info is missing because we haven't used these newer sources for the article yet :) I don't think Liber Chaotica has been used much yet anyway :)--Jonru 13:06, 13 September 2008 (CEST)
So...is alteration based on the seemingly newer information necessary? --Tonicquill 20:57, 13 September 2008
Indeed. Basically it need a re-write to include all the sources shown on wikipedia (and review them properly) and adding any information shown in other sources not included there. A major project indeed.--Jonru 15:40, 13 September 2008 (CEST)
I'll get to it asap...unfortunately not today, about my sleeping time here now, I'll just put in what that has already been found and confirmed.--Tonicquill 22:08, 13 September 2008