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I'll write down the philosophy of it and its benefits.
 
I'll write down the philosophy of it and its benefits.
  
* The goal is to have something that doesn't exist anywhere else (to my knowledge) on the web : a compact and complete gallery of every unit/model released for 40k and it's satellite games.
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* This type of gallery presentation of all the 40k miniatures doesn't exist anywhere else (to my knowledge) on the web, and should be preserved.
* Prior to working on it, this section had rather bad press on the web (Reddit, dakka,bolter...), with people criticizing the unreliability of it and otherwise advising people not to trust it, which was counter-intuitive to the lexicanum being the major referencing wiki about 40k in general, but not about the miniatures.
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* Prior to working on it [2022] , this section had rather bad press on the web (Reddit, dakka,bolter...), with people criticizing the unreliability of it and otherwise advising people not to trust it, which was counter-intuitive to the lexicanum being the major referencing wiki about 40k in general, but not about the miniatures.
  
 
;The tools used were :
 
;The tools used were :
 
** white dwarf magazines to source releases and find oldhammer pictures
 
** white dwarf magazines to source releases and find oldhammer pictures
 
** catalogues/collector's guides to identify the range of miniatures trough time
 
** catalogues/collector's guides to identify the range of miniatures trough time
** Codexes and rulebooks for some outliers, altho those are rather unreliable to source release dates, and they also contain a healthy dose of misleading conversions
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** Codexes and rulebooks for some outliers, altho those are rather unreliable to source release dates, and '''they also contain a healthy dose of misleading conversions'''
  
;Here are the design principles I applied :
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;Design principles I applied :
 
* Separating specialist games and Horus Heresy from the 40k minis, in order to make the editor experience easier, and the user experience better.
 
* Separating specialist games and Horus Heresy from the 40k minis, in order to make the editor experience easier, and the user experience better.
 
* Only leaving officially released kits/blisters. That leaves out conversions, kitbashes, different paintjobs for the same model/unit... Basically anything that is redundant, or tricks the reader into thinking that a "conversion" was released
 
* Only leaving officially released kits/blisters. That leaves out conversions, kitbashes, different paintjobs for the same model/unit... Basically anything that is redundant, or tricks the reader into thinking that a "conversion" was released
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;Images
 
;Images
 
* Square images are the best solution for consistency trough the wiki, and works better with the "packed" gallery mode
 
* Square images are the best solution for consistency trough the wiki, and works better with the "packed" gallery mode
** But it's not always possible to get a square image, especially for pre-webstore miniatures.
 
** Webstore images become consistantly squared and high res for everything that was still for sale after 2010
 
 
* Cropping is good. Excessive cropping is bad.
 
* Cropping is good. Excessive cropping is bad.
**A model should be given some room to breath
 
 
**The base should be entirely visible (except for aircrafts)
 
**The base should be entirely visible (except for aircrafts)
**A few millimeters of nothing between the model and the image borders does alot for a better presentation
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**A model should be given some room to breath : A few millimeters of nothing between the model and the image borders does alot for a better presentation
  
;Thoughts
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--[[User:Siegfriedfr|Siegfriedfr]] ([[User talk:Siegfriedfr|talk]]) 12:05, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
On a more personal note, the gallery presentation is critical to the uniqueness of this section of the lexicanum, but is indeed a poor medium for adding footnotes and making sourcing easily accessible and apparent.
 
I believe the galleries shouldn't the place where source footnotes are added, because:
 
* It's an unreadable mess at the bottom
 
* The {{cite this}} tag everywhere makes all galleries harder to read
 
  
I believe a solution would be a specific section with sortable listings, where the release year and the source for the release period would be sortable.
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==Citations==
 
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::I agree the citation footnote thing is fairly annoying, it should be at the top or bottom of the article if anything. really the only holdout on this is inquisitor-S, you should take it up with him [[User:Harriticus|Harriticus]] ([[User talk:Harriticus|talk]]) 14:40, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
--[[User:Siegfriedfr|Siegfriedfr]] ([[User talk:Siegfriedfr|talk]]) 12:05, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
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:::the top would really destroy the convenience of the pages. i'll wait for him to join the discussion, i have one idea about that --[[User:Siegfriedfr|Siegfriedfr]] ([[User talk:Siegfriedfr|talk]]) 16:43, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
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::Also the {{Cite this}} tag wouldn't be needed if people, you know, cited the images. :) [[User:KazilDarkeye|KazilDarkeye]] ([[User talk:KazilDarkeye|talk]]) 14:48, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
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::On a serious, not-nitpicking note though, I do appreciate the work you put into this.[[User:KazilDarkeye|KazilDarkeye]] ([[User talk:KazilDarkeye|talk]]) 14:48, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
  
This talk is also open to challenge the work done with the opinions of other regular lexicanum editors, as constructive feedback would be appreciated.
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==Page title formatting==
--[[User:Siegfriedfr|Siegfriedfr]] ([[User talk:Siegfriedfr|talk]]) 14:30, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
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::One brief nitpick I have for now is that [[Miniatures (Dark Angels)|the Dark Angels miniatures page]] has a differently-formatted pagename by default compared to the others. That's slightly irritating. Some of the other miniatures pages also have this problem. [[User:KazilDarkeye|KazilDarkeye]] ([[User talk:KazilDarkeye|talk]]) 14:43, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
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::: i noticed that at some point, [[User:Inquisitor S.]] reformatted most miniature pages' titles. since i don't know the how's and why's, it's best to ask him --[[User:Siegfriedfr|Siegfriedfr]] ([[User talk:Siegfriedfr|talk]]) 16:43, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Revision as of 07:09, 2 March 2022

Hello,

So I "think" I finalized a major clean up of this section over a period of 3 months. I'll write down the philosophy of it and its benefits.

  • This type of gallery presentation of all the 40k miniatures doesn't exist anywhere else (to my knowledge) on the web, and should be preserved.
  • Prior to working on it [2022] , this section had rather bad press on the web (Reddit, dakka,bolter...), with people criticizing the unreliability of it and otherwise advising people not to trust it, which was counter-intuitive to the lexicanum being the major referencing wiki about 40k in general, but not about the miniatures.
The tools used were 
    • white dwarf magazines to source releases and find oldhammer pictures
    • catalogues/collector's guides to identify the range of miniatures trough time
    • Codexes and rulebooks for some outliers, altho those are rather unreliable to source release dates, and they also contain a healthy dose of misleading conversions
Design principles I applied 
  • Separating specialist games and Horus Heresy from the 40k minis, in order to make the editor experience easier, and the user experience better.
  • Only leaving officially released kits/blisters. That leaves out conversions, kitbashes, different paintjobs for the same model/unit... Basically anything that is redundant, or tricks the reader into thinking that a "conversion" was released
  • Adding a "context" subtitle in the form of
    • a Codex release when available
    • the year of release when there was no event
      • And the month when there might be contentious about it (for example, a unit appears in a codex in year X, but was first seen in a white dwarf during Year X-1)
  • Correct or update the source/the description when updating/moving any image
    • Correct and update the pages where said images are used for consistant trough the wiki
  • Archive the webstore and Warhammer community pages. Every time. To this end downloading the webarchive add-on/pluggin (chromium browsers) helps ALOT.
Images
  • Square images are the best solution for consistency trough the wiki, and works better with the "packed" gallery mode
  • Cropping is good. Excessive cropping is bad.
    • The base should be entirely visible (except for aircrafts)
    • A model should be given some room to breath : A few millimeters of nothing between the model and the image borders does alot for a better presentation

--Siegfriedfr (talk) 12:05, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Citations

I agree the citation footnote thing is fairly annoying, it should be at the top or bottom of the article if anything. really the only holdout on this is inquisitor-S, you should take it up with him Harriticus (talk) 14:40, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
the top would really destroy the convenience of the pages. i'll wait for him to join the discussion, i have one idea about that --Siegfriedfr (talk) 16:43, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
Also the [Needs Citation] tag wouldn't be needed if people, you know, cited the images. :) KazilDarkeye (talk) 14:48, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
On a serious, not-nitpicking note though, I do appreciate the work you put into this.KazilDarkeye (talk) 14:48, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Page title formatting

One brief nitpick I have for now is that the Dark Angels miniatures page has a differently-formatted pagename by default compared to the others. That's slightly irritating. Some of the other miniatures pages also have this problem. KazilDarkeye (talk) 14:43, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
i noticed that at some point, User:Inquisitor S. reformatted most miniature pages' titles. since i don't know the how's and why's, it's best to ask him --Siegfriedfr (talk) 16:43, 22 February 2022 (UTC)