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I felt it necessary to revert some of the changes because they added information of things made by STCs, which causes canon conflict, as STCs and their various parts have changed in how they are described, and most STC talk in 4th edition refers to the blueprints created. But yeah. [[User:SanchiTachi|SanchiTachi]] 06:02, 6 July 2007 (CEST)
 
I felt it necessary to revert some of the changes because they added information of things made by STCs, which causes canon conflict, as STCs and their various parts have changed in how they are described, and most STC talk in 4th edition refers to the blueprints created. But yeah. [[User:SanchiTachi|SanchiTachi]] 06:02, 6 July 2007 (CEST)
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Is that when it was established there are no working STCs?  "First and Only" talks about STCs like many of them are still intact and up and running:
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"Sixty years ago on Geyluss Auspix, a rat-water world a long way from nothing in Pleigo Sutarnus, a team of Imperial scouts found an intact STC in the ruins of a pyramid city in a jungle basin. Intact. You know what it made? It was the Standard Template Constructor for a type of steel blade, an alloy of folded composite that was sharper and lighter and tougher than anything we’ve had before. Thirty whole Chapters of the great Astartes are now using blades of the new pattern. The scouts became heroes. I believe each was given a world of his own. It was regarded as the greatest technological advance of the century, the greatest discovery, the most perfect and valuable STC recovery in living memory."
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- Dan Abnett. First and Only (Kindle Locations 5733-5737). Black Library.
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It's regarded as rare and a big deal, but as something that *does* exist.  Have they contradicted this point in newer sources?
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[[User:Cythraul|Cythraul]] 13:58, 25 June 2012 (CEST)
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:According to "Dark Adeptus", STCs aren't just blue-prints, but a kind of computer-programs. --[[User:DetlefK|DetlefK]] 15:33, 25 June 2012 (CEST)
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:The novel "Mechanicum" stated, that the STCs are blueprints and the machines that could build anything were the "construct machines". Several STCs have been found, some intact, some damaged, but not a single construct machine (by the end of the Great Crusade!).
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::There's a span of 10,000 years between the end of the Great Crusade and Gaunt's time - WH40K's "present".  Perhaps one or more were found during that gap?  Given that, again, "First and Only" makes it quite explicit that a few construct machines have been found by the time of that novel. [[User:Cythraul|Cythraul]] 05:27, 26 June 2012 (CEST)
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::: Quotes are needed. I can't remember any confirmation that a STC machine or more than one have been found. --[[User:Inquisitor S.|Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum]] 14:50, 28 June 2012 (CEST)
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:::: "First and Only" makes explicit mention of the one (see the large quote above), and depicts another (the latter having been corrupted by Chaos).  It's a major plot element.
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::::: I know that in [[Into the Maelstrom]] the story '''Children of the Emperor''', there was quite the reference to the STC. Large part of the story focussed on it. And theres some good descriptions there, i believe, although the story is considered ''ancient'' now. -[[User:Ytokes|Ytokes]] 09:36, 14 August 2012 (CEST)
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::::::IO don't see a problem with ''ancient'' stories ;) --[[User:Inquisitor S.|Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum]] 15:37, 14 August 2012 (CEST)
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Has anyone noticed that the last note involving "Death of Integrity" doesn't exist in number 7 as a source?
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:No. But thank you - fixed.--[[User:Darkelf77|Darkelf77]] ([[User talk:Darkelf77|talk]]) 03:31, 16 February 2018 (MST)
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==Fragments from Space Hulk: Deathwing==
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In Space Hulk: Deathwing, you can find several STC fragments for different items: A military cot, a bunker, a plasma cooler for some form of energy reactor, astartes power armor, bolters, kraken rounds, and even an Arc Rifle. There might be others, but I am still looking. It would be very beneficial if we could get some extracted models of these fragments to use as images.
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I would also suggest we add the "Lion Pattern" Bolter to the list of STC discoveries, as I can find no prior mention of this pattern before its discovery in Olethros.--[[User:TheNuclearSoldier|TheNuclearSoldier]] ([[User talk:TheNuclearSoldier|talk]]) 18:22, 21 April 2018 (MDT)
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:If it is specifically mentioned as STC, yes. Otherwise no. --[[User:Inquisitor S.|Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum]] ([[User talk:Inquisitor S.|talk]]) 01:57, 22 April 2018 (MDT)
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:: Yeah its an STC --[[User:TheNuclearSoldier|TheNuclearSoldier]] ([[User talk:TheNuclearSoldier|talk]]) 09:25, 22 April 2018 (MDT)
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==Descriptions of STCs==
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Do we have any clear descriptions of what STCs look like? It would also be helpful if we could describe all the different things that "STC" describes such as:
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*Standard Template Constructor = The actual physical machine that produces items.
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*Standard Template Construct Item Database = A large-to-complete collection of files that contain the data a Constructor needs to produce items.
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*Standard Template Construct Knowledge Database = A large-to-complete collection of files that contains the non-engineering knowledge (history, science, politics, etc.) of humanity during the Dark Age of Mankind.
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*Standard Template Construct Fragment = An individual file or small collection of files that contain the data a Constructor needs to produce items.
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*Standard Template Construct hard copy/blueprint/print out = Physical blueprints of items a Constructor can produce. Allowing for more traditional manufacturing.
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*Standard Template Construct A.I. = Abominable Intelligence that was often uploaded into Constructors to allow the device to design/produce items/solutions that it was not originally programmed with.
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I know there is that image of the Rogue Trader with an STC fragment, cogitator readouts of STC patterns, hard copy blueprints of STC patterns, and the machines used to build buildings in Dawn of War.
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--[[User:TheNuclearSoldier|TheNuclearSoldier]] ([[User talk:TheNuclearSoldier|talk]]) 18:21, 26 March 2019 (MDT)
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::First of all I think it is really important to distinguish between STC (=the actual item constructed by or on the basis of) and the STC system (the system behind it). So there is no single answer what an ''STC'' looks like. As to what an  STC ''system'' looks like I do not think there is a very clear answer. But I know (vaguely) that some novel authors wrote a bit about it. For example the (by now quite old) [[Into_the_Maelstrom_(Anthology)#Children_of_the_Emperor]] ('''not''' the Chaos Space Marines). And I guess there were mentions strewn across other novels. Wasn't the Gaunt's Ghosts where they encounter the Men of Iron (?) also something to do with a STC? In many cases unfortunately it is not even clearly stated that the technology in question ''is'' STC, only that it ''might''... --[[User:Inquisitor S.|Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum]] ([[User talk:Inquisitor S.|talk]]) 04:10, 31 March 2019 (MDT)
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:::I agree, hence why I laid out the categories above. Also, we do have SOME images of what they look like. Such as the image of the Rogue Trader with the STC fragment, as well as the ingame STC fragment models in Space Hulk: Deathwing. --[[User:TheNuclearSoldier|TheNuclearSoldier]] ([[User talk:TheNuclearSoldier|talk]]) 09:31, 4 September 2019 (MDT)
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==Mentions of STC - reminders for future inclusion==
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*Short story ''Monastery of Death'' in ''Deathwing'' anthology. --[[User:Inquisitor S.|Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum]] ([[User talk:Inquisitor S.|talk]]) 05:48, 11 May 2019 (MDT)
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==Unknown STC fragment in Space Hulk: Deathwing (Video Game)==
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In the game, there is an STC fragment of an unknown item. It sort of looks like a basic pulley, but its labeled as "MARS40", which is a label shared by other Mechanicus STC fragments (such as the Arc Rifle) in the game and the name of the operating system used for the cogitators aboard the mechanicus vessels. It has a binary code on it, but the code only translates to "Uf" repeated 15 times. Any idea what this thing is?[[User:TheNuclearSoldier|TheNuclearSoldier]] ([[User talk:TheNuclearSoldier|talk]]) 20:37, 27 September 2019 (MDT)
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:We should not speculate. If need be we describe it exactly as it is and add a picture, problem solved. --[[User:Inquisitor S.|Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum]] ([[User talk:Inquisitor S.|talk]]) 23:46, 8 October 2019 (MDT)

Latest revision as of 23:55, 8 October 2019

Recent Changes

I felt it necessary to revert some of the changes because they added information of things made by STCs, which causes canon conflict, as STCs and their various parts have changed in how they are described, and most STC talk in 4th edition refers to the blueprints created. But yeah. SanchiTachi 06:02, 6 July 2007 (CEST)

Is that when it was established there are no working STCs? "First and Only" talks about STCs like many of them are still intact and up and running:

"Sixty years ago on Geyluss Auspix, a rat-water world a long way from nothing in Pleigo Sutarnus, a team of Imperial scouts found an intact STC in the ruins of a pyramid city in a jungle basin. Intact. You know what it made? It was the Standard Template Constructor for a type of steel blade, an alloy of folded composite that was sharper and lighter and tougher than anything we’ve had before. Thirty whole Chapters of the great Astartes are now using blades of the new pattern. The scouts became heroes. I believe each was given a world of his own. It was regarded as the greatest technological advance of the century, the greatest discovery, the most perfect and valuable STC recovery in living memory." - Dan Abnett. First and Only (Kindle Locations 5733-5737). Black Library.

It's regarded as rare and a big deal, but as something that *does* exist. Have they contradicted this point in newer sources?

Cythraul 13:58, 25 June 2012 (CEST)

According to "Dark Adeptus", STCs aren't just blue-prints, but a kind of computer-programs. --DetlefK 15:33, 25 June 2012 (CEST)
The novel "Mechanicum" stated, that the STCs are blueprints and the machines that could build anything were the "construct machines". Several STCs have been found, some intact, some damaged, but not a single construct machine (by the end of the Great Crusade!).
There's a span of 10,000 years between the end of the Great Crusade and Gaunt's time - WH40K's "present". Perhaps one or more were found during that gap? Given that, again, "First and Only" makes it quite explicit that a few construct machines have been found by the time of that novel. Cythraul 05:27, 26 June 2012 (CEST)
Quotes are needed. I can't remember any confirmation that a STC machine or more than one have been found. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum 14:50, 28 June 2012 (CEST)
"First and Only" makes explicit mention of the one (see the large quote above), and depicts another (the latter having been corrupted by Chaos). It's a major plot element.
I know that in Into the Maelstrom the story Children of the Emperor, there was quite the reference to the STC. Large part of the story focussed on it. And theres some good descriptions there, i believe, although the story is considered ancient now. -Ytokes 09:36, 14 August 2012 (CEST)
IO don't see a problem with ancient stories ;) --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum 15:37, 14 August 2012 (CEST)

Has anyone noticed that the last note involving "Death of Integrity" doesn't exist in number 7 as a source?

No. But thank you - fixed.--Darkelf77 (talk) 03:31, 16 February 2018 (MST)

Fragments from Space Hulk: Deathwing

In Space Hulk: Deathwing, you can find several STC fragments for different items: A military cot, a bunker, a plasma cooler for some form of energy reactor, astartes power armor, bolters, kraken rounds, and even an Arc Rifle. There might be others, but I am still looking. It would be very beneficial if we could get some extracted models of these fragments to use as images.

I would also suggest we add the "Lion Pattern" Bolter to the list of STC discoveries, as I can find no prior mention of this pattern before its discovery in Olethros.--TheNuclearSoldier (talk) 18:22, 21 April 2018 (MDT)

If it is specifically mentioned as STC, yes. Otherwise no. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 01:57, 22 April 2018 (MDT)
Yeah its an STC --TheNuclearSoldier (talk) 09:25, 22 April 2018 (MDT)

Descriptions of STCs

Do we have any clear descriptions of what STCs look like? It would also be helpful if we could describe all the different things that "STC" describes such as:

  • Standard Template Constructor = The actual physical machine that produces items.
  • Standard Template Construct Item Database = A large-to-complete collection of files that contain the data a Constructor needs to produce items.
  • Standard Template Construct Knowledge Database = A large-to-complete collection of files that contains the non-engineering knowledge (history, science, politics, etc.) of humanity during the Dark Age of Mankind.
  • Standard Template Construct Fragment = An individual file or small collection of files that contain the data a Constructor needs to produce items.
  • Standard Template Construct hard copy/blueprint/print out = Physical blueprints of items a Constructor can produce. Allowing for more traditional manufacturing.
  • Standard Template Construct A.I. = Abominable Intelligence that was often uploaded into Constructors to allow the device to design/produce items/solutions that it was not originally programmed with.

I know there is that image of the Rogue Trader with an STC fragment, cogitator readouts of STC patterns, hard copy blueprints of STC patterns, and the machines used to build buildings in Dawn of War. --TheNuclearSoldier (talk) 18:21, 26 March 2019 (MDT) s

First of all I think it is really important to distinguish between STC (=the actual item constructed by or on the basis of) and the STC system (the system behind it). So there is no single answer what an STC looks like. As to what an STC system looks like I do not think there is a very clear answer. But I know (vaguely) that some novel authors wrote a bit about it. For example the (by now quite old) Into_the_Maelstrom_(Anthology)#Children_of_the_Emperor (not the Chaos Space Marines). And I guess there were mentions strewn across other novels. Wasn't the Gaunt's Ghosts where they encounter the Men of Iron (?) also something to do with a STC? In many cases unfortunately it is not even clearly stated that the technology in question is STC, only that it might... --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 04:10, 31 March 2019 (MDT)
I agree, hence why I laid out the categories above. Also, we do have SOME images of what they look like. Such as the image of the Rogue Trader with the STC fragment, as well as the ingame STC fragment models in Space Hulk: Deathwing. --TheNuclearSoldier (talk) 09:31, 4 September 2019 (MDT)

Mentions of STC - reminders for future inclusion

Unknown STC fragment in Space Hulk: Deathwing (Video Game)

In the game, there is an STC fragment of an unknown item. It sort of looks like a basic pulley, but its labeled as "MARS40", which is a label shared by other Mechanicus STC fragments (such as the Arc Rifle) in the game and the name of the operating system used for the cogitators aboard the mechanicus vessels. It has a binary code on it, but the code only translates to "Uf" repeated 15 times. Any idea what this thing is?TheNuclearSoldier (talk) 20:37, 27 September 2019 (MDT)

We should not speculate. If need be we describe it exactly as it is and add a picture, problem solved. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 23:46, 8 October 2019 (MDT)