Talk:Arkan Confederates

This page has the regiment's name spelled incorrectly; the correct overall name is "Arkan Confederates". Could the article be moved under the correct name? SkyeAuroline (talk) 19:14, 8 July 2019 (MDT)

Are you really sure? Just from the number of search results on Google it's 180 for "Arkan" but 1.420 for "Arkhan". No definitive proof, obviously, but enough to double-check. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 22:43, 8 July 2019 (MDT)

Even the official Black Library "blurp" spells them as "Arkhan Confederates": "In the jungles of the Dolorosa Coil, a coalition of alien tau and human deserters have waged war upon the Imperium for countless years. Fresh Imperial Guard forces from the Arkhan Confederates are sent in to break the stalemate and annihilate the xenos. But greater forces are at work, and the Confederates soon find themselves broken and scattered. As they fight a desperate guerrilla war, their only hope may lie in the hands of a disgraced commissar, hell-bent on revenge." --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 22:49, 8 July 2019 (MDT)

In the e-book of Fire Cast novel is also written "Arkan" everywhere. And never written "Arkhan". May be there are two variants depending of releases or something?--Darkelf77 (talk) 23:53, 8 July 2019 (MDT)

In the physical book of Fire Caste I own, it’s spelled “Arkhan” everywhere. KazilDarkeye (talk) 23:59, 8 July 2019 (MDT)

Thanks. So, there are two variants. Unfortunately it happens in books of Warhammer 40k... I think that now (to avoid misunderstandings), it is necessary to include both spellings in the article and indicate that Arkhan Confederates has a source on the website of BL and paper book, and Arkan Confederates are mentioned in the e-book. Just so that people do not get confused when they encounter the "wrong spelling" in their source. That's my opinion.--Darkelf77 (talk) 00:11, 9 July 2019 (MDT)

How dumb is that that the paper version spells it one way and the e-version another... --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 00:37, 9 July 2019 (MDT)

Lack of editors or just inattention to details may be.--Darkelf77 (talk) 01:01, 9 July 2019 (MDT)

Yes, but it should basically have been a simple copy/ paste job... I mean we have other cases where spelling mistakes have been carried over over 7 editions because GW just copies its own texts... --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 01:13, 9 July 2019 (MDT)

O.K. major embarrassment time here - I meant to write that my physical copy DOES say "Arkan", not "Arkhan". I am terribly sorry and in hindsight I should have written that when I wasn't in a hurry to get to work. I can also confirm that the back blurb of my copy also says Arkan, so it would appear to be a simple mistake on the Black Library website page. KazilDarkeye (talk) 08:38, 9 July 2019 (MDT)

Then Arkhan should be left only in the article about the story, where the Plot from the site of BL is stated. May be also with appropriate Note about this complication.--Darkelf77 (talk) 10:26, 9 July 2019 (MDT)

If it is an obvious mistake I would not even leave it in the official blurp in the novel article. The internal link will lead people to the correct page where a corresponding note should be placed. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 10:49, 9 July 2019 (MDT)

Agree.--Darkelf77 (talk) 12:01, 9 July 2019 (MDT)

19th Arkan Confederates

I haven't read the novel. But flicking through it I get the impression it's all about the 19th Arkan Confederates, and not all Arkan Confederates. So this article might be misleading. There also seems to be frequent mention of a world called "Providence"... So I hope people are really sure that "Arkan" is the world the regiment is from... --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 14:01, 9 July 2019 (MDT)

It is about the 19th. I think it's also worth pointing out that the Dolorosa Coil is not a planet - it's a network of jungle islands on a planet called Phaedra (human name) or Fi'draah (Tau name). Note: Not sure about the spelling. KazilDarkeye (talk) 14:15, 9 July 2019 (MDT)

That does not bode too well... --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 14:19, 9 July 2019 (MDT)

That's on my list to correct as I work on the page. Unfortunately, while some of the book refers to information applicable across the Arkan Confederates in general, there's quite a lot of information only applicable to the 19th specifically, and the 19th is the only named regiment of the Arkan Confederates in canon so far. Holding off on bringing in information that, as far as I can tell, is 19th-specific; that does seem to be the vast majority though.SkyeAuroline (talk) 18:25, 9 July 2019 (MDT)

Chapter 1 references other Arkan Regiments: "There was to be no rest for the loyalists of Providence. With the civil war finally over, the surviving Arkan regiments had been thrown into the lottery of galactic deployment and scattered across space on the whims of some distant, inscrutable strategy. For the 19th Confederates that whim had led to a backwater subsector on the Eastern Fringe of the Imperium and a world called Phaedra."

But like SkyeAuroline wrote, only the 19th are referenced in the novel as the Confederates.

As for the references of Providence, I'm not sure. It's possibly the 19th's country/state of origin. Here's another quote from Chapter 1 : "He was a gentleman of Providence – a rational man. He wouldn’t buy the propaganda the Imperium used to terrorise its ignorant rabble into submission. Like many Arkan patricians Vendrake was no great believer in the Emperor’s Light. After all, He hadn’t shed much light on Old Providence."

From Chapter 6: "That was one reason why she had chosen him for the task ahead. The other was his heritage. Although he had been little more than a child when Bierce took him from Providence, Holt Iverson was still Arkan and the High Commissar’s problem was with his kinfolk."

Also from Chapter 6: "'I heard you talking up on deck,’ the shape drawled wetly. ‘I can tell you’ve been gone a while,but you ain’t lost your Providence twang. You’re Arkan. In this hellhole that makes us brothers.'" Dram (talk) 19:06, 9 July 2019 (MDT)