Talk:Combi-weapon

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Bolter-Needle Pistol (Combi-Needle Pistol)

A Bolter with a Needler strapped to the side, useful against high toughness creatures. Favoured by the Ordo Malleus.^{[Needs Citation]}

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Combi-Fists?

How would we best include a section on combi-fists? Like Aggressor's boltstorm gauntlets. Calgar's Gauntlets of Ultramar. Or that limited edition termie captain with a "Thermogenic Combi-Fist"?TheNuclearSoldier (talk) 22:51, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

First I would check the definition is actually written in the source as given now in the article. And then I would just (properly referenced obviously) add another sentence or two to the introduction that there are also other combi-weapons? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 09:00, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Found an image of the model's unique datasheet that came with it. https://i.imgur.com/h3pvvlA.jpeg TheNuclearSoldier (talk) 06:17, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

That should settle at least the term then. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 10:33, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Now what would be the best way to incorporate it into the page? Since there are several different styles of combi-fists, but they usually dont have a unique name, besides the bolt storm gauntlet and thermogenic combi-fist. Otherwise they appear almost as one off custom weapons, like the Hand of Dominion or Alexus's Polux's combi-fist.TheNuclearSoldier (talk) 18:17, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Power fist-based combi-weapons? Not going to win an award for that term, but it has the advantage of being clear? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 19:45, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Twin Linked Adrathic Destructor

Would the twin linked Adrathic destructors used by the Custodes count as a combi-weapon for the purpose of this page? Its two Adrathic Destructors combined together, the same way that a combi-bolter or a plasma blaster is.TheNuclearSoldier (talk) 02:01, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Don't know. Is it ever officially called that? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 19:29, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Yeah. Its officially listed as the "Twin Linked Adrathic Destructor".TheNuclearSoldier (talk) 21:14, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Its on page 261 from Horus Heresy Book Seven. Here is a screen snippet: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/292417162021437442/825128525426065448/unknown.png TheNuclearSoldier (talk) 22:07, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

I meant "combi-weapon". I have a very dim memory that there was a difference between twin-linked and combi at some point... --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 17:06, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Being 40k and all, the rules change and the nomenclature is sometimes misleading. In 6th edition, a combi-weapon was a category of ranged weapons were the main weapon (mostly a Bolter) with an addition of another weapon, you had to choose which weapon profile to use before shooting. The add-on weapon that were combined with he Bolter usually was a one-shot.

While Twin-Linked was a weapon-type/special rule for weapons sharing the same targeting system for greater accuracy, for instance two bolters (just to incite discussion they could be called combi-bolter or stormbolter), in 6th the rules said they didn't get more shots but a better chance of hitting. Giving rise to endless discussions on how the rules should work, (and then there is the Multi-Melta, two barreled meltaguns that wasn't twin-linked, and didn't give more shots but instead longer range). Anyway, I would try and keep this page to be about combination of two weapons, it is entertaining to read about the different combinations they make up. With the bolter and underslung special weapon as the norm, but with the very known combi-bolter present to keep everyone from freaking out. Otherwise, pure double-barreled or otherwise combined versions of the same weapon could get an honourable mention in list or so. (Listing weapons lacking the right keyword in twin-linked will make people unneccesary confused. Btw, you could sneak that twin adrathic in under Combi-weapon#Adrastus_bolt_caliver and add the Adrathic Spear while your at it./Glom (talk) 18:45, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

We generally keep rules out of it and just stick to lore (although lore bits are sometimes inserted in rule texts). And combi-bolters definitely are/ were not the same as stormbolters. The difference is discussed (first time I think) in detail in Codex: Chaos (1996), pg. 73. Prior to that I think without having checked it Traitor Terminators were said to carry Stormbolters like their loyalist counterparts. They only got their unique own weapons in later 2nd edition, such as the reaper autocannon vs the assault cannon. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 19:33, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Grenade-launcher on powerfist

This is an item that possibly can (or not) merit the discussion of being discussed, too: the grenade launcher on the back of a power fist (forgot the exact name, it was a wargear card or option in 2nd edition), see for example here. This specific image obviously can't be used, but the original model will be in one catalogue or other. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 19:39, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

That was relisted in newer editions as the "thermogenic combi-fist" in 7e and continues on as "wristmounted grenade launcher" tho the 7e model was the newest model to use it.TheNuclearSoldier (talk) 02:11, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Okay, it was just a random item that crossed my mind when commenting on this discussion, good that it is already covered then. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 20:23, 31 March 2021 (UTC)