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This article appears to talk in circles when it references Kasper Hawser. My read of Prospero Burns clearly indicates that it was Chaos that planted Hawser in the Space Wolves Legion and made it appear he was unwittingly a pawn for the Thousand Sons. No where in Prospero Burns or A Thousand Sons is their any reference that Hawser is linked to the Thousand Sons Legion beyond the suspicions of the Space Wolves. --Sanguinarius 01:55, 30 August 2012 (CEST)

Agreed. AFAIR the Hidden Ones are only refered to at one instance in the novel, revealing their existence, but nothing about their nature. --DetlefK 13:15, 30 August 2012 (CEST)
Rewrite however you like in order to make it more accurate, mate. I think the thought process behind the current version went "Hawser is suspected to be a Thousand Sons spy by the Wolves/Valdor etc, (fake) Amon turns up to claim Hawser is indeed a plant in the Space Wolves, seeing as Amon is Master of the Hidden Ones, the Scout Auxillia, that's a fairly clear implication". (Fake) Amon attempts to convince the Space Wolves and Custodians that Hawser is a spy being run by him; they believe this. So (real) Amon is believed to be in charge of a spy. The figures at Hawser's 'interrogation' tell him the 1KSons plant deep cover spies (I think, it's been years since I read the novel, apologies if wrong). The best lie is based on a truth. Why even pick Amon to fake? The demon could've picked anyone, but it had to choose someone who'd help seal the deception. Imperial figues believe the Sons plant hidden agents and buy that Amon was running Hawser. Hidden agents that are effectively scouts? Hidden agents that are effectively an auxilliary scout force? Amon is in charge of the Hidden Ones Scout Auxillia. Hidden Ones are never seen. Amon is noted to be a mysterious guy so good at stealth even Ahriman doesn't realise he's standing the same room as him... It struck me as a fairly clear connection/spy fiction trope. If you'd prefer I de-contextualise it and dump all that stuff into a Notes section, or leave it out entirely, let me know. The important part to stress is that this connection is based on Imperial authority figures' beliefs around Hawser, who of course wasn't even a Thousand Sons agent at all, just believed to be one, so everything is based around an (in-universe) false assumption. Thanks!--Mob 14:21, 12 September 2012 (CEST)