Talk:Imperial Fists

Specialty

Hey all, I just wanted to elaborate on my changing the IF's specialty from "Defence" to "Siege Warfare". While the Imperial Fists are indeed famous for their defence of the Imperial Palace, it is by no means their specialty. Siege Warfare is their specialty, hands down. If they were specialized only in defence, there is no way they could have survived their attack on the Iron Cage or single handedly (and successfully!) counter-attacked a Black Crusade. Also, as far as special rules have been concerned, the Imperial Fists' siege skills have always been represented in both offensive and defensive special rules. 3rd Edition gave them an abilites to launch more orbital bombardments and safely cross enemy minefields: hardly defensive tactics. Current 40k rules give them the Tank Hunters ability (which affects bunkers as well) and is an extremely offensive skill. So, no to "Defence" but yes to "Siege Warfare"... which incorporates both attack and defence.--Master of Sanctity 10:40, 7 February 2008 (CET)

That sounds totally correct to me, the Imperial Fists were always at odds with the Iron Warriors over who was best at siege warfare/defensive construction and are meant to be the opposite, loyal version. As the Iron Warriors were always the ones being sent into sieges then I believe your change put them where they are meant to be. Cheers--Jonru 11:19, 7 February 2008 (CET)

Someone keeps adding the specialty of Defensive Warfare to the Imperial Fists, in addition to Siege Warfare. The Imperial Fists do not specialize in defence! Just because they defended the Imperial Palace doesn't make them defensive specialists. They are just as adept as attacing fortifications as defending them!! Examples of before and after the Heresy:

" Overall planning was excellent however, and this, coupled with the unshakable determination of the individual Fists, made them an excellent assault formation against static defences."

"They retain their traditional skills in urban and siege warfare, although they are quite willing to engage and defeat the enemy in open battle. They will use fortifications on the defensive, but only after all more aggressive options have been exhausted. "

This combined with their brutal assault on the Eternal Fortress during the Iron Cage incident and legendary attack on a Black Crusade shows extremely agressive tactics. Siege doesn't mean Defensive, it means Siege. Once again, one top of canon, Imperial Fists in the rules were able to cross minefields and launch impressive orbital bombardments and then were master bunker busters; these are not defensive specialties. The Imperial Fists are a flexible Codex Chapter, second only to the Ultramarines in their adherence, but who retain their traditional skills in urban and siege warfare. Nowhere does it strictly say "defence". --Master of Sanctity 06:48, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

The GW website entry on the Imperial Fists also underscores that their special skill in siege warfare is both defensive and offensive, "The Imperial Fists are renowned as siege masters par-excellence, an accolade which is entirely deserved. Several of the major engagements that have defined them as stalwart defenders of humanity have seen the sons of Dorn grimly defending fortifications against innumerable foes, or storming valiantly against the bastions of the Arch-enemy."--augustmanifesto 01:17, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Great Crusade pic

The picture of Great Crusade IF looks to be a Mark VIII which is the latest mark in M41. To whoever posted that pic: Are you sure that's a Crusade era Mark Power Armor? The N

Hi, I put it there. It's from Index Astartes and is marked as pre-Heresy-era in the source. Thanks--Mob 22:58, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Sons of Dorn

Citation "6d" is either incorrect, or the author was using a British printing that has different page numbers than the U.S. print I read. Can anyone check the page number and add the chapter citation, please?--Proteus77 04:46, 4 June 2012 (CEST)

Found it; I don't know where the page numbers were coming from, though.--Proteus77 07:01, 4 June 2012 (CEST)

codex table organizational summary

I've removed the organizational summary. It was unsourced. Further, if its source was the same as the other tables seen in other space marine chapter pages, that source is merely making reference to the codex astartes organization doctrine. First, that is unnecessary to include in full in this article -- they are already mentioned as a codex chapter with a link to the codex page. Second, the information detailing how many squads in each company etc "as of M999" is inaccurate, because the source does not refer to Imperial Fists specifically, and battle losses may have resulted in fewer squads in some companies, etc -- e.g., the loss of 5th company in the Ultramrines movie. --augustmanifesto 20:59, 11 October 2012 (CEST)

The death of the Soul Drinkers

When exactly did the battle on the Phalanx, where the Soul Drinkers were present and practically destroyed occurred? I didn't see it on the time line. I know that Pugh was the Chapter Master so it must occurred before 970M41, but is there an indication for the exact date?

Recruitment section

I've went over the Recruitment section and found that while they list the book the majority of info is from, there is no given chapter/page/specific point to find any of this. If someone with the book could confirm and fill in the details on that before April, that'd be great. Otherwise, I think we should get rid of that section. Yoshb124 7:40 PM (PT), 29 November 2021