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:::I already removed it, we probably need to come to an agreement over where incomplete and stub tags should be used - I think they get put on too many pages. In theory almost ANY page could be classed as incomplete - I dont think it is sensible to add them to pages unless there is specific info missing and even then I think an "Attention" tag works better - as we can then mention what info is needed specifically. [[User:Thelemur|The Lemur]] 00:22, 13 March 2012 (CET)
::::Thanks fellas. As it's the summary that needs expanding, how about using [[:Template:Substub]] in that section? It's not intrusive, and is targeted so that people know what is needed: it could work for other articles too. Does that work for you? We could make a similar (one liner) template which also has what's needed to improve it (i.e. Subattention).
::::I also see Lemur's point that so many of the articles (even the ones that do the job) could be considered incomplete. There's also the fact that GW loves to make a dozen loose ends for every one they tie up (C'tan for example): [[User:Xensyria/Heresy#Stub articles|I reckon]] Lexicanum would benefit from small articles on these subjects (even if that's only one paragraph) just stating all that's known about these things so if someone looks it up they can check if anything else has been written on it or not. Technically these might be considered stubs, but since they're also complete it puts them in an odd status: perhaps we could come up with a name/template/category for these "loose ends" too. What do you think? --[[User:xensyria|IXS]]<sup>[[User talk:xensyria|=][=]]</sup> 18:23, 13 March 2012 (CET)
== Battle Template ==
Mate, shall we try out the new <nowiki>[[Template:BattleTest| battle template]]</nowiki>, rather than dumping the wikicode into articles? I'm (sadly) quite excited to see what it looks like, and it'll update if we make changes.--[[User:Mob|Mob]] 02:23, 17 March 2012 (CET)
==Projects==
:::I wrote most of the pages and the formatting. Half of the wiki links you put in were wrong or redirects. You crossed the line and without good cause. Be more careful next time. [[User:Midnight Sun|Midnight Sun]] ([[User talk:Midnight Sun|talk]]) 20:37, 24 January 2016 (MST)
::::Considering that you've been a contributor since December of last year, and I've been contributing for a good four years, and written most of the novel, short story, and anthology pages from scratch, try to pause and consider before you make such declarative statements. Also, the point of the redirects is to send the reader to the publication where the story first appeared, and save the writer from having to write "first published in..." over and over again.--[[User:Proteus77|Proteus77]] ([[User talk:Proteus77|talk]]) 20:47, 24 January 2016 (MST)
:::::I had two prior accounts, both known to Larry Vela the owner. Second, you did not write most of the novels. I did. Most of the novels were blank. And no, the point of your redirects was to send people to the wrong pages, like daemonology that had nothing to do with the story. You wanted to cause a problem. You have done very little besides some wiki links, poor formatting, and stubs. If you are going to interfere with other people who are actually building the place, then that is a serious problem. So, you have a choice - contribute to filling in the missing content or stop interfering with those who are. And save the writers? It was a quick copy and paste and already done. [[User:Midnight Sun|Midnight Sun]] ([[User talk:Midnight Sun|talk]]) 20:52, 24 January 2016 (MST)
:[http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=War_Without_End_%28Anthology%29&curid=52422&diff=289773&oldid=289770] Sigh, short stories go in quotes. Novellas and novels go in italics. [[User:Midnight Sun|Midnight Sun]] ([[User talk:Midnight Sun|talk]]) 20:57, 24 January 2016 (MST)
::According to whom?--[[User:Proteus77|Proteus77]] ([[User talk:Proteus77|talk]]) 20:59, 24 January 2016 (MST)
:::Chicago Style, AP Style, every single citation guide ever. [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=War_Without_End_%28Anthology%29&diff=289776&oldid=289773] and that is beyond the pale. The index of the book is clear and the stories were listed in order. If you persist, I will have to ask for Larry to ban you. Knock off the games. [[User:Midnight Sun|Midnight Sun]] ([[User talk:Midnight Sun|talk]]) 21:01, 24 January 2016 (MST)
::::To the best of my knowledge, Chicago style has not been the manual of choice for the site since its creation. If your next task is to go through each and every novel and short story citation on the site and make it conform to the same style, please say so and I will stay out of your way. But right now your page is just that much harder to read.--[[User:Proteus77|Proteus77]] ([[User talk:Proteus77|talk]]) 21:03, 24 January 2016 (MST)
:::::Every style guideline is the same. Short stories have always been quoted while full books have been italicized. Most of the site conforms to that very rule. Nothing is hard to read about that page. It is just you being difficult because something got into your head where you would rather cause problems then fill in many of the blank pages, and I don't mean with meaningless templates. [[User:Midnight Sun|Midnight Sun]] ([[User talk:Midnight Sun|talk]]) 21:06, 24 January 2016 (MST)
::::::When you say "blank pages," do you mean creating an individual page for each short story?--[[User:Proteus77|Proteus77]] ([[User talk:Proteus77|talk]]) 21:07, 24 January 2016 (MST)
:::::::And as to "most of the site," the plain fact is, no, it doesn't (e.g., [[Shadows of Treachery (Anthology)]], [[Angron]] (see the citations), etc.) If you feel that needs to be corrected, please say so and, if there is a consensus with the owner and one or more of the administrators, please post it.--[[User:Proteus77|Proteus77]] ([[User talk:Proteus77|talk]]) 21:10, 24 January 2016 (MST)
::::::::You link to two pages that are clearly wrong and you don't even bother to fix them? Seriously? Obviously, the mix formatting of quotes for one and nothing for the novella should have tipped you off. And if you aren't using just the name (i.e. putting in the disambiguation link - (short story), then there is no reason to have either). Additionally, You didn't even link to the right Angron here. [[User:Midnight Sun|Midnight Sun]] ([[User talk:Midnight Sun|talk]]) 21:18, 24 January 2016 (MST)
:And yes, plenty of blank pages. Of the above, here are those still needing to be filled: [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Crimson_Fist_%28Novella%29], [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Prince_of_Crows_%28Novella%29], [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Horus_Heresy_Chapbook_%28Anthology%29], [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Horus_Heresy_%28Artbook_Series%29#The_Kaban_Project]. Only one had the information [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Death_of_a_Silversmith_%28Short_Story%29]. [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Raven's_Flight_%28Audio_Book%29] This one was close but malformed things. [[User:Midnight Sun|Midnight Sun]] ([[User talk:Midnight Sun|talk]]) 21:20, 24 January 2016 (MST)
:And the stories for ''Angron'' are blank - [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tales_of_Heresy_%28Anthology%29#After_Desh.27ea], [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Butcher's_Nails_%28Audio_Book%29], and [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lord_of_the_Red_Sands_%28Short_Story%29]. [[User:Midnight Sun|Midnight Sun]] ([[User talk:Midnight Sun|talk]]) 21:21, 24 January 2016 (MST)
::::::::::No, I am linking you to two pages that are typical of the site, and show you that the style you decry as "wrong" is the one that has been used in the vast majority of pages, for the last several years. So either the whole site is "wrong," and has been for the last 3-4 years, but no one has seen it that way except you, or your insistence on using the Chicago manual style will necessitate an overhaul of all the pages. As to the second charge, I deliberately linked you to [[Angron]] the biography page, rather than [[Angron (Anthology)]], to show you how both novels and short stories are referenced as sources. Yes, I am aware of the difference. You seem to be laboring under the persistent, wrong belief that I am doing these things out of sloppiness, when in fact I am conforming to the uniform style used on the site for the last several years. If you believe the prevailing style is wrong and should be changed, by all means, submit the suggestion to the administrators. But please stop acting as though I'm a careless idiot.--[[User:Proteus77|Proteus77]] ([[User talk:Proteus77|talk]]) 21:27, 24 January 2016 (MST)
:Those pages aren't typical. They were neglected and abandoned. No summaries were put in there, and they were left as stubs. There is no way to boast them as typical. Here are typical pages: [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Black_Oculus_%28Short_Story%29], [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Eagle's_Talon_%28Audio_Drama%29], [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Iron_Corpses_%28Audio_Drama%29], [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Grey_Talon_%28Audio_Drama%29], [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Master_of_the_First_%28Audio_Drama%29], [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Child_of_Night_%28Short_Story%29], [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Daemonology_%28Short_Story%29], etc., not the empty stub pages that have templates denoting they are abandoned and need to be worked on. [[User:Midnight Sun|Midnight Sun]] ([[User talk:Midnight Sun|talk]]) 21:34, 24 January 2016 (MST)
== Warning ==
Before you troll, [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Luna_Mendax_%28Short_Story%29&diff=247614&oldid=247613 YOU] added in the Category Luna Wolves. You crossed the line before and you were warned. You crossed the line again. You need to apologize or leave. [[User:Midnight Sun|Midnight Sun]] ([[User talk:Midnight Sun|talk]]) 17:07, 25 January 2016 (MST)
:I wasn't trolling. Please calm yourself down. As to the other, are you proposing that the "Short Story" category be abandoned?--[[User:Proteus77|Proteus77]] ([[User talk:Proteus77|talk]]) 17:09, 25 January 2016 (MST)
::Me calm down? You came to my page raging over something '''you''' did to cause problems and start a fight. You put that tag in there yourself. You have no right to act that way. If you want to add categories or wikilinks, feel free. The page was clearly being worked on so your actions here have shown a full willingness to lie and abuse others. That is not appropriate. You haven't added in real content in a long time, and what this incident shows is that you have a history of adding in broken and unfinished links because you don't care. This is not acceptable. Further, you did not apologize at all for being completely abusive and inappropriate. You had no right to come to my talk page, and it was even worse when it turns out that '''you''' did it. [[User:Midnight Sun|Midnight Sun]] ([[User talk:Midnight Sun|talk]]) 17:13, 25 January 2016 (MST)
Here is the deal--you stop harassing people, you put in plot summaries and fill in content, or you go. If you respond in any other fashion but to apologize and to agree to this, then I will push for you to be permanently banned because of your actions lately. [[User:Midnight Sun|Midnight Sun]] ([[User talk:Midnight Sun|talk]]) 17:14, 25 January 2016 (MST)
:Then I'm sorry.--[[User:Proteus77|Proteus77]] ([[User talk:Proteus77|talk]]) 17:15, 25 January 2016 (MST)
::Thank you. I don't know why you decided that I am some sort of enemy that you need to chase after and abuse without cause. I am filling in content of this encyclopedia to serve as background for semi-academic articles I am writing for Larry Vela's site on important issues in the Horus Heresy series. As of now, the Lexicanum has extremely large gaps that make it impossible for it to be used as an encyclopedia. Only some of the pages are acceptable, with much being less than stubs. I have produced literally hundreds of pages of content so far in the past month trying to fix this, and I am still not even 5% done before the first of my articles can be launched. Having someone go through and causing problems for no reason delays from that progress. I have no problem with other people helping, and I have kept much of the language and content of others except when it is outright wrong (which was in a few cases due to putting new sources on outdated information). However, helping is through writing summaries, putting in background for the stories, etc., to make it so every Horus Heresy short story, novella, audio book, and novel can be searched and explored. [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Battle_of_Tallarn] This is the kind of thing needed to be replicated for the major events, and there are many pages needing to be worked on. Most of the novels don't have summaries or even character lists. [[User:Midnight Sun|Midnight Sun]] ([[User talk:Midnight Sun|talk]]) 17:23, 25 January 2016 (MST)
:::I agree with you. One could argue that the pages shouldn't even be created until they can be written in full, but because (as you know) the content writing often lags far behind, I feel it's important to create at least a comprehensive index of the publications, and keep pace with the releases by Black Library. Please don't think I'm targeting you, or anyone else. I was just trying to maintain a stylistic uniformity over the site which is easy for other contributors to follow.--[[User:Proteus77|Proteus77]] ([[User talk:Proteus77|talk]]) 17:32, 25 January 2016 (MST)
::::I understand the need for uniformity, which is why I tend to copy and paste from article to article to preserve similar setups. I also understand the need to have stubs and templates to be filled in. I was forced to make one for Pharos, though I do have half of a summary. [[User:Midnight Sun|Midnight Sun]] ([[User talk:Midnight Sun|talk]]) 18:54, 25 January 2016 (MST)
== Planet's Categories ==
How do you think - do we need the "Category:Asteroid Belt" and/or "Category:Gas Giant" in Lexicanum? Though we have only few of the Asteroid Belts articles, they and the '''Gas Giants''' are an astronomical objects. For example, [[Jupiter]], [[Saturn]], [[Uranus]], [[Neptune]] - are just the Gas Giants in Sol System, without taking into account another Gas Giants, mentioned in Warhammer 40'000. So... do we need them as Categories?--[[User:Darkelf77|Darkelf77]] ([[User talk:Darkelf77|talk]]) 00:41, 28 January 2016 (MST)
:Is this a poll? Because I know I didn't create those categories. I have no strong opinion, except that I have not seen enough articles to fill these categories.--[[User:Proteus77|Proteus77]] ([[User talk:Proteus77|talk]]) 10:43, 28 January 2016 (MST)
::Yes, I mean does we NEED to create them. Ok, I understand your opinion. Thanks.--[[User:Darkelf77|Darkelf77]] ([[User talk:Darkelf77|talk]]) 11:27, 28 January 2016 (MST)
== Thanks ==
You created some much needed redirects today. [[User:Midnight Sun|Midnight Sun]] ([[User talk:Midnight Sun|talk]]) 14:06, 1 February 2016 (MST)
:Your welcome, but I thought you didn't like redirects.--[[User:Proteus77|Proteus77]] ([[User talk:Proteus77|talk]]) 14:10, 1 February 2016 (MST)
::It wasn't the redirects but the removal of the books in the list to denote which of the four books each of the short stories was taken for so people would not have to click each and every one to find out. [[User:Midnight Sun|Midnight Sun]] ([[User talk:Midnight Sun|talk]]) 16:14, 1 February 2016 (MST)
== Shield of Lies ==
Do you happen to have the audio book? If so, could you put together a plot synopsis? I do not have it yet. [[User:Midnight Sun|Midnight Sun]] ([[User talk:Midnight Sun|talk]]) 14:28, 23 June 2016 (MDT)
:Sorry, I do not.--[[User:Proteus77|Proteus77]] ([[User talk:Proteus77|talk]]) 17:31, 23 June 2016 (MDT)
== Question - Arik ==
[http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/File:ArikTaranis.jpg]
This is from the cover of [[The Outcast Dead (Novel)]]. The cover has 6 space marine sized individuals who are not battling against each other. I don't understand how this image was selected to be Arik, a non-space marine, and I think the label needs to be removed. Do you agree? [[User:Midnight Sun|Midnight Sun]] ([[User talk:Midnight Sun|talk]]) 14:15, 5 August 2016 (MDT)
:"In the depths of Terra's hive cities, a cowering astropath is guarded – or is he held prisoner? – by a group of Space Marines in a motley collection of scavenged armour. A unique and atmospheric Horus Heresy cover." Seems to support my suspicion. I'm going to remove it. [http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/outcast-dead-print.html] [[User:Midnight Sun|Midnight Sun]] ([[User talk:Midnight Sun|talk]]) 14:19, 5 August 2016 (MDT)
:I don't know whether the identification should be changed, and would assume that [[User:Harriticus|Harriticus]] has selected the figure based on his reading of the book. In any case, I changed the category, not the description, and will not presume to know more or less than the person who uploaded it.--[[User:Proteus77|Proteus77]] ([[User talk:Proteus77|talk]]) 16:18, 5 August 2016 (MDT)
::I removed it from the Arik page due to the official description of the gallery print at the Black Library website. [[User:Midnight Sun|Midnight Sun]] ([[User talk:Midnight Sun|talk]]) 18:03, 5 August 2016 (MDT)
==WIP articles==
Please check and if not really still being created, remove WIP template, thanks. --[[User:Inquisitor S.|Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum]] ([[User talk:Inquisitor S.|talk]]) 09:16, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
*[[Dominic Seroff]]
*[[Xenos (Novel)]]
==Endn template==
Hello, since you're the maker of this important template, i posted a question on the talk page, i'd appreciate if you could give it a look, thanks [[:Template_talk:Endn]] --[[User:Siegfriedfr|Siegfriedfr]] ([[User talk:Siegfriedfr|talk]]) 16:08, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
