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Since it was suggested that officially encouraging to overhaul/ actually create a Help section that is helpful I hereby do officially encourage any and all interested user to share their (constructive) thoughts and suggestions on the matter. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 14:04, 15 April 2019 (MDT)

Most pressing issues

So, according to people's impressions, what are the most frequent problems new (or old) users have and which accordingly should be addressed first? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 14:04, 15 April 2019 (MDT)

Diverse notes

Images

  • file format normally should be .jp(e)g
    • PNG should be avoided for photographs and detailed art due to large file size
    • GIF only where absolutely necessary; convert to PNG if possible
  • file size should not exceed 100-200kb (depending on the actual object and purpose of the image)
  • crop images when necessary. There is little point in having a picture where only one small corner is relevant for the article it is used in
  • target image resolution should be 500-800 pixels in the largest of either vertical or horizontal dimensions. Not too big, not too small.
  • where possible and reasonable the original resolution of the image can be kept if the file is not excessively big
  • file names should reflect the content of the image
  • copyright is always {{GWCopyright}}
Can we get the upload template to autofill this? Bobmath (talk) 09:15, 18 April 2019 (MDT)
  • image sources have to be as precise as possible (pagenumbers!) and are to be included both in the file description and in the articles where the file is used
  • all images have to be categorized upon upload; it is immaterial if the category is under the file description (i.e. included during the upload) or at the bottom (i.e. post-upload). Even if you're not sure which category is best, try to put it in one that's close!
  • do not flood articles with images. Always ask yourself: What is actually the added value of this image?
  • Potentially useful software (preferably freeware):
    • Cross-platform:
      • GIMP: freeware alternative for more complex operations, often touted as the free alternative to Photoshop
      • jpegtran: Crop, rotate, compress JPEG files without incurring generation loss.
      • jpegrescan: "losslessly shrink any JPEG file" using jpegtran
    • Windows:
      • Google Picasa: discontinued but can still be found; rotating, cropping, contrast, white balance and many other simple operations
      • MWsnap: small but powerful for screenshots

Language level

We do not expect unreasonably high language skills since the texts should be written in a way that as many people as possible will understand them. A basic level and grasp of grammar is however required.

Verbatim copies

  • Verbatim copies are generally not allowed with the exception of quotes.

Speculation and extrapolation

... is not allowed. Stick to what the text says. Period.

Article structure

  • Some thought should be put into how an article should be structured so that the information is presented in a logical way.

Internal links

  • Generally internal links should provide easy access to further reading. As such - especially in longer articles - specific terms should be linked to multiple times. Rule of thumb: Consider each section its own article and it is okay to re-link internally if it is a new paragraph.
  • Internal links should be created not only to existing articles but explicitly also to not-yet existing articles.

Style

This is an encyclopaedia, correspondingly the language should be concise and matter-of-fact. No novel writing here!

Multiple accounts

One account per user. Period.


Suggested beginner's tasks

So this is clearly suggested tasks, not compulsory that a newbie must first "earn his trust" with them. Simply a suggestion with rather "simple" tasks to have the chance to learn the ropes and at the same time do crucial work. For example check and specify sources that are not up to the standard, correct spelling and grammar, create internal links, add categories etc. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 02:21, 24 April 2019 (MDT)

Related Publications

This was my own idea - separate part of article similar with 'See Also' and 'Related Articles' but with its own meaning. Here I propose to add published sources (novels, novella or story) which are not mentioned in the sources of article itself, but where its object is described in sufficient details. For example like in this article - Electro-priest, where the story Adeptus Mechanicus: Infinite Circuit (Short Story) is not mentioned directly in sources, but still itself serves as an excellent description of this object. So, for example, if reader of article want to take a quick glimpse of Electro-Priest he can read story and take pleasure. Of course, if this story will be included in the sources, then this paragraph ('Related Publications') will have to be removed as irrelevant. Again - this is only my proposition which in my opinion is a useful moment.--Darkelf77 (talk) 00:16, 27 April 2019 (MDT)

It could be called "Further reading". --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 03:37, 11 May 2019 (MDT)

Aphabetical Complication

I have a question. When we arrange lists in the articles, how should we count names and surnames? Do we must arrange like that:

  • Lord Commissar Barthold Dorst
  • Lord Commissar Gaken
  • Lord Commissar Feodor Lasko

Or like that:

  • Lord Commissar Barthold Dorst
  • Lord Commissar Feodor Lasko
  • Lord Commissar Gaken

I understand that logically there must me the first variant. But still second one seems more usable to me. Comissar still Lasko. On the other hand Primarch - still more Guilliman (on G), not on R (Roboute). And techically I would rather look for him in the letter G, not R (that would seem confuse to me). So though I prefer a second variant I really don't know what will be better. Anyhow, we must work out a single option for such cases, and not do this lists in different ways.--Darkelf77 (talk) 04:57, 28 April 2019 (MDT)

The second variant I think is better and more consistent.--Ashendant (talk) 06:57, 28 April 2019 (MDT)
As your example shows, we don't always have a given name, so you're sorting by given name for some entries, and surname for others. Option two is inconsistent and wrong. Bobmath (talk) 08:58, 30 April 2019 (MDT)
The first variant is much hard for people who add new names to follow. They barely follow main alphabetical rule. Now they will have to take into account their last name. By the way - as I see in ordinary wikipedia, lists created due to second variant. See this list - Wikipedia - for example. Persons here clearly go by first name not surname.--Darkelf77 (talk) 15:08, 30 April 2019 (MDT)
Those are stage names, not actual surnames. The real name is in the second column, unsorted. Bobmath (talk) 19:15, 30 April 2019 (MDT)
Then I must agree after all. Still, there is a third variant, but I really don't like it:
  • Lord Commissar Dorst, Barthold
  • Lord Commissar Gaken
  • Lord Commissar Lasko, Feodor

It seems too awkward to me. Second variant better.--Darkelf77 (talk) 01:22, 1 May 2019 (MDT)

  • Dorst, Lord Commissar Barthold
  • Gaken, Lord Commissar
  • Lasko, Lord Commissar Feodor
Bobmath (talk) 08:56, 1 May 2019 (MDT)
  • Dorst, Barthold, Lord Commissar
  • Gaken, Lord Commissar
  • Lasko, Feodor, Lord Commissar
Seems most logical to me. But that might also have to do with one's native language way of doing things... --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 03:36, 11 May 2019 (MDT)

MediaWiki codes/ Lexicanum templates

Internal workings

  • Display code as text:
     <nowiki>text</nowiki>
  • Signature with date:
    --~~~~
    • Signature without date:
      --~~~
  • Internal link:
    [[article]]
    or with a different title displayed instead of the actual article name:
    [[article|New title]]
  • External link:
    [http://www.example.com Name of website]
  • Redirects:
    #REDIRECT[[article]]
  • Insert empty lines:
    <br>
  • Underline text:
    <u>Text</u>
  • Text to be displayed only in used templates:
    <includeonly> text </includeonly>
  • Text not to be included in used templates but necessary to describe a template on its own page:
    <noinclude> text </noinclude>

Interlexicanum

  • Interlexicanum links:
    • To the English 40K Lexicanum:
      [[lex_en_wh40k:Ezekyle Abaddon|Ezekyle Abaddon]]
    • To the German 40K Lexicanum:
      [[lex_de_wh40k:Ezekyle Abaddon|Ezekyle Abaddon]]
    • To the French 40K Lexicanum:
      [[lex_fr_wh40k:Ezekyle Abaddon|Ezekyle Abaddon]]


    • To the English WFB Lexicanum:
      [[lex_de_whfb:Sigmar Heldenhammer|Sigmar Heldenhammer]]
    • To the German WFB Lexicanum:
      [[lex_en_whfb:Sigmar Heldenhammer|Sigmar Heldenhammer]]
    • To the French WFB Lexicanum:
      [[lex_fr_whfb:Sigmar Heldenhammer|Sigmar Heldenhammer]]

Templates

Editting

  • Work in progress:
    {{WIP}}
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Tools

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Citations, summaries, etc.

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Warnings

  • Template:Spoiler: this article contains spoilers for a specific novel:
    {{Spoiler|source=Example novel}}
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Non-fictional

  • Trivia:
    {{trivia}}


Italics

Ship, tank etc. names should always be written in italics. Makes for much easier reading. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 06:23, 11 May 2019 (MDT)

About Spoiler Alert in Novels (etc) Articles

As I see, the majority of Adepts believes that the spoiler alert in articles about the books themselves is meaningless. Basically, I can agree with that. However, in that case, I would like to see in the articles about books a mandatory separate paragraph with a "teaser" (like "cover description" from the BL site). The idea is that the user can clearly distinguish: 1) brief information in order to interest him/her (and provoke him/her to read a book) but do not get spoilers and 2) get a full information that reveals the full plot of the book (if he/she agrees to get spoilers). This is something that is not exist in good measure in Wikipedia (they just have complete plot with all spoilers in them), and that (in my opinion) should be in Lexicanum. So, if we do not use Spoiler Template in the book's articles, we need uniformity in distinguishing paragraphs with and without spoilers.--Darkelf77 (talk) 10:21, 24 May 2019 (MDT)

I don't know that we need to use an explicit spoiler box on every book page, as long as any spoilers are contained to a section with an obvious name (like "Plot", maybe). But if you like the spoiler box, using {{Spoiler}} with no parameters will default to the name of the current page. Bobmath (talk) 10:43, 24 May 2019 (MDT)
Nevertheless we should indeed make it compulsory to add the "official blurp" (be it from the website or the back of the actual novel) at the top of the article, i.e. before any potential spoilers. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 11:38, 24 May 2019 (MDT)
Well, I like 'Black Library Description' paragraph of GrumpyDilettante. May be it's a way.--Darkelf77 (talk) 12:43, 24 May 2019 (MDT)
Yes, or as I said what is printed on the back of a book which is probably mostly the same. Of course it is easier to copy/paste directly from a website (if available). --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 15:58, 24 May 2019 (MDT)

Question about Notable/ known characters lists

I noticed there are many lists of inquisitors like list of Inquisitor, each Ordo Majoris has a section for notable members of the order then categories have their own list of inquisitors as well. So my question is what makes an inquisitor a notable member of his order, for example I created a page for Ordo Malleus Inquisitor:Felroth Gelt should I put him in the list of notable members or no? and of course an entry is needed for the list of inquisitors. What is the standard in such situation? I find it difficult to maintain more than one list and make all the lists of inquisitors up to date. What do you guys think? --Michel.eissa (talk) 15:27, 29 May 2019 (MDT)

This is a very specific question, please note that this talk page (at least currently) serves the main purpose to discuss broad guidelines and rules. However it happens your question touches a general issue that needs to be cleared up. Therefore I will leave it here and change the heading.
  • First: the way the "notable members" section in articles has (often) been used so far has simply been prohibitive. See for example what I am in the process of doing for the Iron Hands, you will notice when you compare revisions that I cleared that out drastically. So even if this a WIP you can see what I am aiming at.
  • Generally everybody goes into the "known members" list articles. If there is a separate Known members article for Ordo Malleus /if not, one can be created), then in there, too, not only into the known inquisitors list (there is no reason not to have people in multiple lists). So these "known" lists are the complete and reference lists.
  • As to the question of who is notable. Well, obviously this can be a bit hairy. But it should really be persons who feature prominently in the background. Say Eisenhorn, Kryptman, Ravenor... And/ or persons of really high rank, but even then they should not really only be mentioned in a throwaway line in an obscure short story.
Do these considerations help you?
--Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 15:56, 29 May 2019 (MDT)
Thanks for the fast response, and yes they do help.
  • I agree with you about the notable members list.
  • I will put the new guy in the list of lists of Inquisitors
  • I think the list of notable members of Ordo Malleus should be cleaned up and most of them put into Known Members list only but I don't know much about the whole Inquisition.
--Michel.eissa (talk) 16:25, 29 May 2019 (MDT)

About Spoiler Alert in Novels (etc) Articles II

Just to add my two cents, while I'm a wet-behind-the-ears adept here, I very much agree with your findings in regards to the use of the spoiler tag. I've only done a few edits to date, all on fluff literature articles, so I humbly propose the following, based on my experience thus far:

  • Firstly, that in articles about sources, the spoiler tag should only be used when this source has spoilers for another one which takes place chronologically before it. To illustrate, the short story Blood Calm has a spoiler for the novel Death of Integrity (the former being an epilogue of sorts for the latter), so I added a spoiler for that, but not the summary I have on the Blood Calm article.
  • Secondly, following from this, I agree that the cover or official blurb given by BL, what I've thus far re-labelled as Black Library Description (since the blurb on the BL site usually differs from the one on the back of a hardcopy), should be at the start of an article. I've been putting it at the end, in favour of an overview section prior to a summary.
  • Thirdly, I've been doing this on the articles I've edited, but perhaps prior to a comprehensive summary, maybe a slightly more vague overview section could serve to inform the prospective reader about the source's content? Essentially a TL;DR 'snapshot' of the plot, maybe even open ended if that's desirable by fellow adepts.

Just a long-winded suggestion ;)
GrumpyDilettante (talk) 17:40, 29 May 2019 (MDT)

Offtopic remark: It doesn't matter if you consider yourself "wet behind the ears", everybody with sensible and reasonable suggestions is welcome to add their thoughts. Likewise (although some people sometimes mistakenly thought otherwise) "old hands" are not treated with a higher regard if they seriously fuck up or misbehave ;)
on topic: on your fist point: agree. on the second: yes, it should indeed be at the top to avoid problems. Third point: Is the official blurb not already sufficient? On the other hand if the article has really a comprehensive content recap, yes, a tl;dr summary in a couple of sentence can make sense, as an overwview.
--Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 01:59, 30 May 2019 (MDT)

Inclusion of Dramatis Personae on literature pages?

I'm curious to know the thoughts of other adepts on the inclusion of a character list on pages about a novel, short story, audio drama etc. I've seen a list of characters on a handful of pages that I've earmarked to edit and wondered if this ought to become standard practice or not. What are your thoughts? GrumpyDilettante (talk) 02:43, 31 May 2019 (MDT)

Well, I can't see harm done by including it. Does somebody see a problem? Well, there is just the problem that at least before the Horus Heresy novels GW/BL (I think) did not really include a Dramatis personae... So compulsory or standard practice might be a bit difficult to realize, no? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 12:21, 31 May 2019 (MDT)
I agree. I am not against it.--Darkelf77 (talk) 12:49, 31 May 2019 (MDT)

Extrapolation and speculation by Lexicanum authors

I would like to explicitly point out that extrapolation and speculation should not be allowed when writing articles. Recent example: Talk:Dernhelm_9th. Neither does the source explicitly state the name of the homeworld (it could be called whatever or even be a space station or "Dernhelm" could be something completely else, if it exists), nor that the Dernhelm 9th is a Regiment or even part of the Imperial Guard (yeah, I still call it that, sue me ;)) --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 06:08, 1 June 2019 (MDT)

I created a template to include in articles that a) have in the past included extrapolation/ speculation or b) are prone to fall victim to this.
Thoughts? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 07:53, 1 June 2019 (MDT)
I concur with you, strict adherence to the sources should be the standard practice as this is what the Lexicanum is known to be. I like the idea of the template one question though, could you elaborate on prone to fall victim to this do you have an example or something of that sort? --Michel.eissa (talk) 11:19, 1 June 2019 (MDT)
Well, there are a number of the 40K equivalent of urban legends I guess. Really from the top of my head I remember how "the internet" claimed that the Blood Ravens are descendants of loyalist Thousand Sons. As far as I am aware this has not been explicitly stated. So that is a typical "prone" case. Also areas like the "Lost Legions", "Who would famous Daemons be in real history", that Sigmar was a lost primarch (that would actually be a case in the WFB Lex), such stuff... I really only included that sentence for potential future cases I guess ;). --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 11:38, 1 June 2019 (MDT)
Sigmar - Primarch? I've read somewhere that he is real Emperor!--Darkelf77 (talk) 12:11, 1 June 2019 (MDT)
BURN HERETIC, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THE TWIN-TAILED COMET WAS A PRIMARCH INCUBATOR CAPSULE CRASHING FROM THE SKIES!!! Ehem, thank you for illustrating what I meant ;) --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 12:25, 1 June 2019 (MDT)

Internal links to redirects

When adding internal links it is not allowed to short-cut and link to redirects instead of to the correct name of the target article. For example not Horus Heresy Book Eight, pg. 123 but The Horus Heresy Book Eight - Malevolence, pg. 123. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 12:29, 3 August 2019 (MDT)

Naming Conventions for Articles

When it comes to naming articles what is the policy on the following(I'll use examples from the Fantasy Lexi because it's much easier to find them for me):

These are all I can remember right now. If I remember anymore I'll add it to the list.--Ashendant (talk) 12:30, 10 June 2019 (MDT)

Category Inclusions in Anthologies, Magazines etc.

I'm curious as to what should be best practice when it comes to anthology-like articles such as novel anthologies, magazines etc. Should the page for the anthology/magazine include the category for sources e.g. [Category:Sources (Iron Snakes)], or should that category only apply to the main article for the content it relates to?
To illustrate: Take an issue of Inferno! magazine, we'll say it contains a short story about the Iron Snakes Chapter and I link to that short story in the article. Should the Inferno! article include the category [Category:Sources (Iron Snakes)], should only the short story article include that category, or should both articles include that category? I've been doing the latter thus far, but I think maybe the second (main article only) makes the most sense from an organisational point of view. Any thoughts on this? --GrumpyDilettante (talk) 02:18, 13 June 2019 (MDT)

I tend to agree. Adding categories to everything in an anthology results in a long, unwieldy list of categories for that page. I usually don't apply the specific categories on an anthology-type page, unless they apply to everything in the anthology (like Category:Thousand Sons on Ahriman: Exodus (Anthology)). The trouble is, we don't always have separate pages for all the anthology contents. Bobmath (talk) 08:23, 13 June 2019 (MDT)

A potential PSA for Web-archived images

Fellow adepts, I'm not sure if everyone is aware of this (I just stumbled upon it, I'll remove this post if this was something everyone was already aware of), but on archive.org, there's a way to get urls for the images on an indexed webpage. If you click on the dropdown menu on the top right called 'about this capture', it'll provide a list of links; when hovered over, a link will highlight a specific page element. Click the desired image link and it'll open a new tab with the image. For example: here's one for a 'definitive edition' of the comic Deff Skwadron --GrumpyDilettante (talk) 10:28, 17 June 2019 (MDT)

I re-read this and I still do not understand the use of this. I am not saying it is not useful, I just don't get what you want to tell us . --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 12:21, 1 July 2019 (MDT)

Traitor Marines

My main idea is this: if the Chapter of the Space Marines first was loyal, and then switched to the side of Chaos, changing its name, regalia, etc., there should be two articles about it (one for loyal, second - for a resulting Chaos SM warband). A vivid example (though not the only one) is Star Scorpions. Next will be the spoiler of the book "Spear of the Emperor (Novel)"! Star Scorpions turned into the chaos space marines warband - the Pure, who have their own background. And yes, I know that judging by other examples, in this case, both articles should now be merged together, leaving only the article 'Pure (Chaos Warband)'. It just always looks weird for me when you're looking for an article about loyal Chapter ('Star Scorpions') and you find something completely different, with a different name and a different (chaos) colors, and in the article somewhere deep and deeply buried that this Chapter has become a Chaos Marines and therefore it is now called the 'Pure'. And I must also notice - a completely different matter with the Chaos Legions, in which a similar process is a real hystory (known basically to everyone reading about Wh40k) and who (Legions) did not change their names (although they changed colors) - so they are another matter and of course must have only one article for each Legion. Chapters are another matter (IMO). Therefore, the question is - whether it is necessary to leave everything in the old manner, creating a merged article about the Chapter, if it changes significantly after its... hm... change? Maybe it would be acceptable to leave two articles, as in the case of 'Star Scorpions' and the 'Pure' as it is now?--Darkelf77 (talk) 05:48, 23 June 2019 (MDT)

I support having two articles for circumstances like this (as it allows for situations where not all of the Chapter fell to Chaos (e.g. Doom Legion and Vectors of Pox) or situations where at least one individual Marine remained loyal). KazilDarkeye (talk) 05:56, 23 June 2019 (MDT)
This is a very muddy and extremely specific example. I don't think the rules should consider such cases as even minor differences can make a decision into one or the other direction more logical. As for the case at hand as far as I understand it from your summary. I do not completely see the problem. And the difference to Chaos Legions who sometimes have up to three names and distict history periods... So if the whole chapter turned renegade I really see no point in two articles. If a part remained loyal, well, then I do not really see why one would consider "overwriting" the old chapter ID with the Chaos warband ID --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 03:39, 26 June 2019 (MDT)

Companies, regiments, (Grand) Bataillons...

Is there a reason why for example basically nobody linkifys the actual unit but normally links to the organizational article? Example: Why the [[Ultramarines]]' [[Space Marine Company|Fourth Company]] and not the [[Ultramarines]]' [[4th Company (Ultramarines)|Fourth Company]]? For reasons of order I would however suggest to stringently use the same format. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 12:24, 1 July 2019 (MDT)

I think the reason is simply because most of these companies/battalions/e.t.c. don't have their own articles (off the top of my head the only one I can think of is First Claw for the Night Lords 10th Company. I was considering at least setting up some for at least the Space Wolves Grand Companies (because they all have individual names) and maybe the Iron Warriors Third Grand Company (featured in The Siege of Castellax (Novel) and Cult of the Warmason (Novel). I would agree that they should ideally have their own articles where possible.
Certianly individual Imperial Guard Regiments should have their own pages to prevent all the REDIRECTs (the main issue there is that regiments are often given inconsistent names that make it a bit hard to tell if they're referring to the same thing e.g. are Cadian III, Cadian 3., Cadian 3rd Shock Troops and Cadian 3rd Regiment all the same body or are they slightly different?) KazilDarkeye (talk) 15:02, 1 July 2019 (MDT)
We really have to get people away from this totally misguided idea that they can or should only link to already existing articles. And as you said, some, maybe even many units have such a rich history that it is total madness to try to include it in their "parent" organizational article. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 15:35, 1 July 2019 (MDT)
The other main companies I wanted to give individual articles were the Brotherhoods of the White Scars (I just remembered that at least one, the Brotherhood of the Blue Hawk, has its own article). The main question I want to ask with these company articles for consistency's sake - do we title the main articles with numbers (e.g. 4th Company (Ultramarines)) or words (e.g. Fourth Company (Ultramarines))? Obviously we could set up a redirect for the other. I personally prefer using words, but that's just my opinion. KazilDarkeye (talk) 15:44, 1 July 2019 (MDT)
I started to introduce this kind of links with numbers. Simply because like that we don't have the hassle with the alphabetical order. I would however always create a redirect with the spelt-out writing, just in case. And I think that at least for all the Legions and also the big Chapters this totally makes sense. I just hope GW has applied some consistency to the numbering... --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 15:48, 1 July 2019 (MDT)
"I just hope GW has applied some consistency to the numbering..." - Hah!
In any case, your wish is my command. I'll start amending links and maybe get around to creating some of the actual pages if I can. KazilDarkeye (talk) 15:51, 1 July 2019 (MDT)
Oh, actually one other point - do we need to distinguish Great Crusade/Horus Heresy-era companies from Chapter companies in this regard? Just because a company in those days tended to mean something slightly different (and varied from Legion to Legion with regards to size, nomenclature, e.t.c.). KazilDarkeye (talk) 15:54, 1 July 2019 (MDT)
Yes, this is a question that crossed my mind. I think we will have to as I am doubtful about continuity here. But then I hope we are only talking about a limited amount of cases. As to the nomenclature maybe adding a "legion" would make sense? So for example 1st Company (Blood Angels Legion) as opposed to 1st Company (Blood Angels)? Otherwise we would have to add "Chapter" to all of the Chapter companies, even when they never were a Legion... But I am open for discussion. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 16:02, 1 July 2019 (MDT)
I took a stab at creating an article for this purpose (4th Company (Relictors)). Let me know your thoughts (there are a couple of tweaks that could be made). KazilDarkeye (talk) 13:35, 3 July 2019 (MDT)

The Beginning of Articles with Templates

In conversation with a respected adept KazilDarkeye, I had feeling that I need to ask the opinion of other adepts. At the moment, articles with Templates look something like this - Storm Ravens, so the first introductory sentence/paragraphs stands before the main Templates. Personally I like when there was an introdactory sentence before Templates, but... May be it is really 'having all of the text together looks nicer than having a couple of lines, then the template, then the rest'? See also for example this article Landunder where the introductory sentence moved to the main text of article ('Landunder is an Imperial Hive World.'). In any case, I am confident that we must develop a unified system regarding this issue and continue to adhere to it. So, the question: is moving the first (introduction) paragraph below the Templates: 1) Better; 2) Worse or 3)Doesn't matter at all/Depends on situation?--Darkelf77 (talk) 12:48, 3 July 2019 (MDT)

Note: And, of course, I agree with the point that if 'articles basically had all of their text above the template and nothing beneath it except for sources, which (...) looks quite bad'. In these cases the text better looking below the main Templates.--Darkelf77 (talk) 12:48, 3 July 2019 (MDT)
I will restate my opinion here (so my fellow adepts don't have to look for our conversation) - I personally don't think it matters a lot, but I prefer to have all of the text in an article together, after all of the Portals, Templates, e.t.c. (with the exception of particularly notable quotes, which I think look nice in a QuoteBox at the top, e.g. Silver Skulls). KazilDarkeye (talk) 13:35, 3 July 2019 (MDT)

Templates II

Introduce a new rule that no new templates can be introduced without prior and explicit Bureaucrat approval. Principle discussion "Ease of use" Vs "Sleek design". --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 14:43, 3 August 2019 (MDT)

Frequent grammar mistakes

"When people's names end in 's', you can either add ' or 's (Charles' or Charles's) and choose pronunciation accordingly, either /iz/ or /isiz/. You might sometimes need to choose the latter to make the meaning clear. Source. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 23:03, 5 August 2019 (MDT)

Notes

People should include (editor's) notes with relevant information in articles. For example if a Chapter is a DIY chapter by a GW dude presented on an official webpage (=it's allowed here) this info should be included in the article so that readers can gauge how high the canonicity of this article is (for themselves!). --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 11:20, 12 August 2019 (MDT)

Capital letters

A decision on capitalization in article names. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 11:08, 14 August 2019 (MDT)

Order

I would suggest that short lists inside articles should be in chronological order (if possible) and alphabetical in dedicated list articles (a chronological order there should be possible, too). Objections? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 03:27, 23 August 2019 (MDT)

I agree and want to add, - that we must take one article with such a list and make an example of it, discussing details here, in process of this.--Darkelf77 (talk) 12:03, 23 August 2019 (MDT)
I meant like here for example. For dedicated list articles shouldn't sortable table be used anyway? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 13:46, 23 August 2019 (MDT)
Other examples for chronological order include Great Wolf, Master of the Hunt and High Marshal. KazilDarkeye (talk) 00:51, 24 August 2019 (MDT)
Hey i like it! However, we still need to solve another question - how to arrange famous characters of insignificant Chapters. I mean - should we arrange them in the form of their rank, and inside it - in alphabetical:
  • Abraham - Chapter Master M23
  • Zemitox - Chapter Master M41
  • Andrian - Captain
  • Wyystyy - Captain
  • Drenod - Sergeant
  • Andigin - brother

And so on... I think this order is better then just alphabetical or chronological. And this moment must also be mirrored in Help article.--Darkelf77 (talk) 01:47, 24 August 2019 (MDT)

Sounds sensible. In any case we should limit the list items inside article to, let's say, five or so. Everything above means a dedicated list article? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 04:30, 26 August 2019 (MDT)

Semi-related question - does that mean that for list articles like these ones, I'll have to undo the separation into different tables for each letter? The main reason I did that was to get the articles into some kind of order (they were a bit lacking before) and I left them like that to break up the page a bit, but I can reintegrate the tables. KazilDarkeye (talk) 09:59, 26 August 2019 (MDT)

As long as there are not sortable tables I do not see a valid reason to to undo the separation. But yes, the question of which tables should be used and how should be adressed. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 10:11, 26 August 2019 (MDT)

Private homepages and social media feeds of GW employees and contributors/ authors

See for example here. In my opinion what such people post on their private homepages etc. should be treated delicately until it has been approved and integrated by GW itself. Sometimes they muse on issues, that remain simply theories or concepts. Also just because an author for example likes some fan-submitted texts or artwork it still stays fanwork in my opinion. What do you think? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 01:47, 26 September 2019 (MDT)

I agree. Also people are different. If some GW employee is same as me, for example, then he may like fan-model at one day and doesn't like it another day (or forget about them at all) :) So, until it is added to official background (or at least mentioned in warhammer-community that it WILL be added soon) it may not be added, IMO.--Darkelf77 (talk) 05:18, 26 September 2019 (MDT)
Well, obviously lower rank GW employees should be excluded completely. I mean if a GW store manager in southwest Micronesia decides to make up his own chapter then that is hardly relevant. Otherwise I think that Darkelf's proposition to exclude anything that has not been published via an official channel should be excluded. And if an important author publishes some of his musing or concepts we *could* mention it under "Notes" with a link to the page, but I would not include the actual content until officially published. It is a bit different with clarifications by authors on already published materials (for example that he/she won't publish more of it), what do you think? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 05:30, 26 September 2019 (MDT)

Handling of computer game/ roleplay storylines

Something should be written about how to handle potentially conflicting/ mutually exclusive storyline events that depend on player choices in computer games and also roleplaying games. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 22:34, 8 October 2019 (MDT)

I think that if the matter is conflicting or it seems doubtful even to the author of the edit, he can add information in a separate paragraph called "In Computer Games". Because in such a products GW pays even less attention to details and accuracy of background.--Darkelf77 (talk) 01:25, 9 October 2019 (MDT)

Handling of disambig pages