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Since it was suggested that officially encouraging to overhaul/ actually create a Help section that is helpful I hereby do officially encourage any and all interested user to share their (constructive) thoughts and suggestions on the matter. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 14:04, 15 April 2019 (MDT)

Most pressing issues

So, according to people's impressions, what are the most frequent problems new (or old) users have and which accordingly should be addressed first? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 14:04, 15 April 2019 (MDT)

Diverse notes

Warnings

  • Three strikes (written warning) for the same issue and you are out. Abusive behaviour, vandalism and other grave missteps excluded, that can get you kicked out immediately.

Suspension

  • The length of a suspension/ ban depends on the nature of the transgression and is decided by the admin/ bureaucrat in charge. It can be modified according to necessity.

Sources

  • Any and all content without an acceptable source will be removed. Period.
  • sources must always be as precise as possible, i.e. with a pagenumber or the e-format equivalent.
  • only official sources count as acceptable sources. While sometimes there could be small grey areas, by and large it should be quite clear what is acceptable as source.

Images

  • file format normally should be .jp(e)g
    • PNG should be avoided for photographs and detailed art due to large file size
    • GIF only where absolutely necessary; convert to PNG if possible
  • file size should not exceed 100-200kb (depending on the actual object and purpose of the image)
  • crop images when necessary. There is little point in having a picture where only one small corner is relevant for the article it is used in
  • target image resolution should be 500-800 pixels in the largest of either vertical or horizontal dimensions. Not too big, not too small.
  • where possible and reasonable the original resolution of the image can be kept if the file is not excessively big
  • file names should reflect the content of the image
  • copyright is always {{GWCopyright}}
Can we get the upload template to autofill this? Bobmath (talk) 09:15, 18 April 2019 (MDT)
  • image sources have to be as precise as possible (pagenumbers!) and are to be included both in the file description and in the articles where the file is used
  • all images have to be categorized upon upload; it is immaterial if the category is under the file description (i.e. included during the upload) or at the bottom (i.e. post-upload). Even if you're not sure which category is best, try to put it in one that's close!
  • do not flood articles with images. Always ask yourself: What is actually the added value of this image?
  • Potentially useful software (preferably freeware):
    • Cross-platform:
      • GIMP: freeware alternative for more complex operations, often touted as the free alternative to Photoshop
      • jpegtran: Crop, rotate, compress JPEG files without incurring generation loss.
      • jpegrescan: "losslessly shrink any JPEG file" using jpegtran
    • Windows:
      • Google Picasa: discontinued but can still be found; rotating, cropping, contrast, white balance and many other simple operations
      • MWsnap: small but powerful for screenshots

Language level

We do not expect unreasonably high language skills since the texts should be written in a way that as many people as possible will understand them. A basic level and grasp of grammar is however required.

Behaviour towards users and staff

  • The netiquette applies. Also it should be noted that if a user thinks there are problems with another user of his rank he should inform an admin. If an admin has problems that require powers or input beyond his level he should contact a bureaucrat. Or in other words: Do not claim or think to have powers and rights that you do not have. Abusive behaviour, vandalism, threats etc. will not be tolerated.

Verbatim copies

  • Verbatim copies are generally not allowed with the exception of quotes.

Speculation and extrapolation

... is not allowed. Stick to what the text says. Period.

Article structure

  • Some thought should be put into how an article should be structured so that the information is presented in a logical way.

Internal links

  • Generally internal links should provide easy access to further reading. As such - especially in longer articles - specific terms should be linked to multiple times. Rule of thumb: Consider each section its own article and it is okay to re-link internally if it is a new paragraph.
  • Internal links should be created not only to existing articles but explicitly also to not-yet existing articles.

Style

This is an encyclopaedia, correspondingly the language should be concise and matter-of-fact. No novel writing here!

Multiple accounts

One account per user. Period.

About Sourcing

This question has already surfaced in the past: do we must add the source to the first paragraph of the article? On the one hand - it is not - for example, if it sounds simple as “XXX is a Captain of the YYY Chapter”. On the other hand, if this paragraph includes information of a more detailed nature, for example, "he was injured in The War for ZZZ and lost his hand" or "who participated in the Great Crusade", I believe that the reference to the source must be made. Of course if there is only one Source - it's easier, because you can just add the same Fn|1 to first paragraphs and deal with it, but when there are more then 1 source - it is not very good I think. Sometimes first paragraph consist of really huge ammount of imformation, but again - adepts not always add source to the first paragraphs, as I notice. BTW Midnight Sun was strongly against this rule :)--Darkelf77 (talk) 02:22, 18 April 2019 (MDT)

In my opinion it should always have a source, eve if it's just a simplistic statement.--Ashendant (talk) 15:24, 22 April 2019 (MDT)
I agree with Ashendant and Darkelf77. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 03:39, 11 May 2019 (MDT)

About Sourcing II

One would also have to think about multiple sources that say the same. On the one hand it is interesting to know when and if an info has been repeated. On the other hand - obviously - 24 sources confirming that Dante is the Chapter Master of the Blood Angels would be somewhat... counterproductive. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 10:46, 18 April 2019 (MDT)

There should be a limit, but I feel like putting such in the rules would actually be counterproductive.--Ashendant (talk) 15:24, 22 April 2019 (MDT)
We can still put a rough suggestion "not to overdo it" in the rules. Rules can include suggestions. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 03:39, 11 May 2019 (MDT)

About sourcing III

In my opinion we should uniformly use abbreviations. In the case of pagenumbers I am used to "p./ pp.", others are using "pg./ pgs.". Is there a good standard and justification for either? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 06:12, 21 April 2019 (MDT)

In the Fantasy Lexicanum, I always go with "pg.", because I think it's more intuitive than "p.", "pp." or "pgs.".--Ashendant (talk) 15:24, 22 April 2019 (MDT)
A long time ago I asked this question on the forum. I was told that it does not matter at all. :)--Darkelf77 (talk) 07:27, 23 April 2019 (MDT)
Who told you? Was it me? ;) Of course it does not matter, but I decided I want to have it uniform ;) --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 11:56, 23 April 2019 (MDT)
I don't even remember. The old forum was deleted :(--Darkelf77 (talk) 00:09, 24 April 2019 (MDT)

About sourcing IV

I would like to add two suggestions about sourcing:

  • When the split happens I'm going to make a template called "Specify", similar to "Cite This", that would be added to the source list, in case there is a source in the section that only mentions the origin, but not which section or pg. number.
  • Another issue is that alot Short stories can't be as specific a larger books, so I would recommend adding an exception for short stories in the second rule in the sourcing section.--Ashendant (talk) 15:24, 22 April 2019 (MDT)
In the case of short stories in e-format I think we can make an exception, yes. In print format pagenumber will still be obligatory. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 14:25, 23 April 2019 (MDT)
I thought that the novels were spared from the indication of the pages, since there may be several different editions, and the pages of each of them will differ - therefore there is no reason to indicate them. For example I always read books not in epub or mobi, but transform epub to pdf moreover with the special programm - to read properly on my phone. If I state my pg. number after that - it will be totally meaningless. Chapter though - is a more stabile thing. The same is true for the stories.--Darkelf77 (talk) 00:08, 24 April 2019 (MDT)
Novels are not per se spared. But yes, the problem of different editions is true. So the Chapter rule will apply here. Although I think that for example different print editions are marked in the book with a year number? Then pages can make sense, too, in addition to Chapter numbers --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 02:21, 24 April 2019 (MDT)
I think pages for novels, novellas and shorts must be desirable. If you can add them - great (if necessary, indicating the year of publication of the book). If you cann't - at least Chapter must be stated (if, for example, you read a e-book). By the way almost all novellas also have their Chapters, Parts etc, and even some stories also have them.--Darkelf77 (talk) 05:24, 24 April 2019 (MDT)

Suggested beginner's tasks

So this is clearly suggested tasks, not compulsory that a newbie must first "earn his trust" with them. Simply a suggestion with rather "simple" tasks to have the chance to learn the ropes and at the same time do crucial work. For example check and specify sources that are not up to the standard, correct spelling and grammar, create internal links, add categories etc. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 02:21, 24 April 2019 (MDT)

Related Publications

This was my own idea - separate part of article similar with 'See Also' and 'Related Articles' but with its own meaning. Here I propose to add published sources (novels, novella or story) which are not mentioned in the sources of article itself, but where its object is described in sufficient details. For example like in this article - Electro-priest, where the story Adeptus Mechanicus: Infinite Circuit (Short Story) is not mentioned directly in sources, but still itself serves as an excellent description of this object. So, for example, if reader of article want to take a quick glimpse of Electro-Priest he can read story and take pleasure. Of course, if this story will be included in the sources, then this paragraph ('Related Publications') will have to be removed as irrelevant. Again - this is only my proposition which in my opinion is a useful moment.--Darkelf77 (talk) 00:16, 27 April 2019 (MDT)

It could be called "Further reading". --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 03:37, 11 May 2019 (MDT)

Aphabetical Complication

I have a question. When we arrange lists in the articles, how should we count names and surnames? Do we must arrange like that:

  • Lord Commissar Barthold Dorst
  • Lord Commissar Gaken
  • Lord Commissar Feodor Lasko

Or like that:

  • Lord Commissar Barthold Dorst
  • Lord Commissar Feodor Lasko
  • Lord Commissar Gaken

I understand that logically there must me the first variant. But still second one seems more usable to me. Comissar still Lasko. On the other hand Primarch - still more Guilliman (on G), not on R (Roboute). And techically I would rather look for him in the letter G, not R (that would seem confuse to me). So though I prefer a second variant I really don't know what will be better. Anyhow, we must work out a single option for such cases, and not do this lists in different ways.--Darkelf77 (talk) 04:57, 28 April 2019 (MDT)

The second variant I think is better and more consistent.--Ashendant (talk) 06:57, 28 April 2019 (MDT)
As your example shows, we don't always have a given name, so you're sorting by given name for some entries, and surname for others. Option two is inconsistent and wrong. Bobmath (talk) 08:58, 30 April 2019 (MDT)
The first variant is much hard for people who add new names to follow. They barely follow main alphabetical rule. Now they will have to take into account their last name. By the way - as I see in ordinary wikipedia, lists created due to second variant. See this list - Wikipedia - for example. Persons here clearly go by first name not surname.--Darkelf77 (talk) 15:08, 30 April 2019 (MDT)
Those are stage names, not actual surnames. The real name is in the second column, unsorted. Bobmath (talk) 19:15, 30 April 2019 (MDT)
Then I must agree after all. Still, there is a third variant, but I really don't like it:
  • Lord Commissar Dorst, Barthold
  • Lord Commissar Gaken
  • Lord Commissar Lasko, Feodor

It seems too awkward to me. Second variant better.--Darkelf77 (talk) 01:22, 1 May 2019 (MDT)

  • Dorst, Lord Commissar Barthold
  • Gaken, Lord Commissar
  • Lasko, Lord Commissar Feodor
Bobmath (talk) 08:56, 1 May 2019 (MDT)
  • Dorst, Barthold, Lord Commissar
  • Gaken, Lord Commissar
  • Lasko, Feodor, Lord Commissar
Seems most logical to me. But that might also have to do with one's native language way of doing things... --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 03:36, 11 May 2019 (MDT)

About sourcing V

When there is a list in the article, we need citation only if information don't have it's own article. For example "List of Battles: -999.M41 - War for XXX." If there is no separate article War for XXX, citation needed. If there IS separate article War for XXX and there mentioned that subject of article took part in this War, citation in the list don't needed.--Darkelf77 (talk) 14:59, 30 April 2019 (MDT)


MediaWiki codes/ Lexicanum templates

Internal workings

  • Display code as text:
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  • Signature with date:
    --~~~~
    • Signature without date:
      --~~~
  • Internal link:
    [[article]]
    or with a different title displayed instead of the actual article name:
    [[article|New title]]
  • External link:
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  • Redirects:
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  • Insert empty lines:
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  • Underline text:
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  • Text to be displayed only in used templates:
    <includeonly> text </includeonly>
  • Text not to be included in used templates but necessary to describe a template on its own page:
    <noinclude> text </noinclude>

Interlexicanum

  • Interlexicanum links:
    • To the English 40K Lexicanum:
      [[lex_en_wh40k:Ezekyle Abaddon|Ezekyle Abaddon]]
    • To the German 40K Lexicanum:
      [[lex_de_wh40k:Ezekyle Abaddon|Ezekyle Abaddon]]
    • To the French 40K Lexicanum:
      [[lex_fr_wh40k:Ezekyle Abaddon|Ezekyle Abaddon]]


    • To the English WFB Lexicanum:
      [[lex_de_whfb:Sigmar Heldenhammer|Sigmar Heldenhammer]]
    • To the German WFB Lexicanum:
      [[lex_en_whfb:Sigmar Heldenhammer|Sigmar Heldenhammer]]
    • To the French WFB Lexicanum:
      [[lex_fr_whfb:Sigmar Heldenhammer|Sigmar Heldenhammer]]

Templates

Editting

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Tools

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Citations, summaries, etc.

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Non-fictional

  • Trivia:
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Italics

Ship, tank etc. names should always be written in italics. Makes for much easier reading. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 06:23, 11 May 2019 (MDT)

About sourcing VI

Sometimes adepts have a question: what to do if an obvious fact is mentioned in the source in many places? For example (all examples are fictional!), 'Atal Mahor is a Captain of the Black Legion' and this is said to be "all over the novel 'Fall of Sentia'". Naturally, in this case, the Source does not need to write "Fall of Sentia (Novel), Chapters I-XI", just mention at least one Chapter, where this is explicitly stated. Personally, I would then put the first Chapter, which mentions that 'Atal Mahor is a Captain of the Black Legion'. For example, this is Chapter II. So the source will look like this: "Fall of Sentia (Novel), Chapter II" At the same time, it does not matter that Atal Mahor as a Captain is also mentioned in Chapters III, XI and XII, one clear source and one Chapter of the novel is enough. The same applies to other sources - for example, to the background books with pages stating in the source.--Darkelf77 (talk) 03:54, 23 May 2019 (MDT)

Agreed. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 09:51, 23 May 2019 (MDT)

About Spoiler Alert in Novels (etc) Articles

As I see, the majority of Adepts believes that the spoiler alert in articles about the books themselves is meaningless. Basically, I can agree with that. However, in that case, I would like to see in the articles about books a mandatory separate paragraph with a "teaser" (like "cover description" from the BL site). The idea is that the user can clearly distinguish: 1) brief information in order to interest him/her (and provoke him/her to read a book) but do not get spoilers and 2) get a full information that reveals the full plot of the book (if he/she agrees to get spoilers). This is something that is not exist in good measure in Wikipedia (they just have complete plot with all spoilers in them), and that (in my opinion) should be in Lexicanum. So, if we do not use Spoiler Template in the book's articles, we need uniformity in distinguishing paragraphs with and without spoilers.--Darkelf77 (talk) 10:21, 24 May 2019 (MDT)

I don't know that we need to use an explicit spoiler box on every book page, as long as any spoilers are contained to a section with an obvious name (like "Plot", maybe). But if you like the spoiler box, using {{Spoiler}} with no parameters will default to the name of the current page. Bobmath (talk) 10:43, 24 May 2019 (MDT)
Nevertheless we should indeed make it compulsory to add the "official blurp" (be it from the website or the back of the actual novel) at the top of the article, i.e. before any potential spoilers. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 11:38, 24 May 2019 (MDT)
Well, I like 'Black Library Description' paragraph of GrumpyDilettante. May be it's a way.--Darkelf77 (talk) 12:43, 24 May 2019 (MDT)
Yes, or as I said what is printed on the back of a book which is probably mostly the same. Of course it is easier to copy/paste directly from a website (if available). --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum (talk) 15:58, 24 May 2019 (MDT)