Talk:Remembrancer

The article defines remembrancers as people who were present during the Great Crusade; surely this would exclude someone from M34 like Lasko Pyre? Unless he is noted to have survived for that long due to warp time-dilation or something. If he is noted as a remembrancer in the DE Codex this article needs the definition altered and the DE Codex added as a source. If he isn't noted as a remembrancer, he should probably not be added to the list IMHO. Thanks. --Mob 17:08, 27 October 2007 (CEST)

In the novel Desert Raiders, it is mentioned that the title of Remembrancer still exsists(When Rezail was talking with Habbas about the Turenag colonizing Khadar). Also, Tremault is known to have the title of Remembrancer, and his writings about the Tallarn seem to be set at least after the 1st invasion by the Iron Warriors(the quotes seem to be desert related, as they mention dromedaries, sand, etc.). If I can, I'll try to make a separate section about "modern remembrancers". Any extra help/information would be greatly appreciated. Commisar Gegnillum 16:50, 24 June 2011 (CEST)

To me these remembrancers seem like a historian etc who simply record events for wider publication throughout the Imperium. It sounds to me like the title Remembrancer should not just be limited to those identified as such during the HH Series but with anyone who records events of the Imperium. But as a counterpoint to that argument, should only the noteworthy, and first appointed, of the title be remembered? --Ytokes 00:38, 25 June 2011 (CEST)

Well, a couple of things come to mind; firstly whether individuals we may wish to add to the list are actually described as remembrancers. If they are, as in the example given by Gegnillum, then they should be added.

The second, and more complicated one is that there seems to be a disconnect between being a remembrancer and being part of the Remembrancer Order - which ties into your point, Ytokes. I'm going by memory, so please correct me if wrong, but in HR it says the Remembrancer Order is created after Ullanor and the Emperor returning to Terra, hence influx of remembrancers to the Crusade. However, in A Thousand Sons there are remembrancers present with the 1KSons before Ullanor and therefore the creation of the Remembrancer Order. There may be other examples in HH fiction of this also. This is not immediately a contradiction, however - the 1KSons have taken these specific remembrancers with them on purpose - as all it does is imply remembrancers exist before the ratification of the Order. So, I'm inclined to believe both of your comments are useful: remembrancer is both a 'general job description' like historian and a specific title in the context of being a member of the Order. However I can't think of a source where it explicitly states this.

Thirdly, as to 'noteworthy' it's the same as every other notable list in the first instance - add characters who are fluffed out enough to merit their own linked article. Having said that, however, this list could possibly stand all remembrancers being added to it, as well as a bit of reformatting by specialisation perhaps? Or one could just do the linking to a separate page with all remembrancers thing. It depends on how many there are and if adding them clutters up the list so much it stops people wanting to clickthrough to the individual articles. Two cents etc. Cheers, guys.--Mob 02:41, 25 June 2011 (CEST)

Has anyone found any fluff about "modern" remembrancers outside of Desert Raiders? The section about modern remembrancers will look pretty threadbare if the only named one is Tremault. Commisar Gegnillum 18:52, 29 June 2011 (CEST)

None that I know of. Although Jenit Sulla out of Ciaphas Cain series and her memoirs may qaulify.--Ytokes 09:41, 30 June 2011 (CEST)

Didn't "The Last Remembrancer" say that the order of remembrancers was disolved by the Emperor? --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum 13:30, 30 June 2011 (CEST)

@ Ytokes: IMHO, probably not, as it seems that "modern" remembrancers are seperate from other writers. @Inqusitor S: Well, the law prohibiting psykers (Nikea) was overturned somehow, so it might not be a stretch to believe that it was founded again sometime after the end of the Heresy. Commisar Gegnillum 13:52, 30 June 2011 (CEST)

Unless specifically written this would be speculation. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum 14:57, 30 June 2011 (CEST)

Sadly it is speculation. I propose that we make a separate section about "modern" remembrancers and note that it is unknown how the title of remembrancer came to be used again. Commisar Gegnillum 16:33, 30 June 2011 (CEST)

Yes, indeed. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum 22:45, 30 June 2011 (CEST)

I'll try to work on it when I feel a lot better(sick with a nasty cold), or when I get back from a family visit to California. Have a nice weekend everyone. Commisar Gegnillum 02:26, 1 July 2011 (CEST)